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There is a correlation between the two examples Maricopa, worth looking at.

One problem with Social Security is that the funding was SO huge the Gov decided to "borrow" some of the funding for other projects. That was then, this is now.

Now it's simple demographics, not enough young people to pay for the old people and no way to pay back the money that was borrowed! A scenario which could well play out with the insurance health plan goals as well. Less young people, more older folks.

In my opinion the REAL cost savings to fund any new health care plans could be found by more aggressive prosecution of Medicare and Medical fraud. THAT is where the emphasis should be. Of course tort reform would play a significant role in that regard. The proposed bill as big as it is, will be ripe for abuse and fraud.

Doesn't mean we should not proceed, I think we should. But it's going to take years to close the "loop holes" that WILL be found in time. Legal, but unethical loop holes as well as outright fraud.