[fdjake]

As to the comments made here about Howard Van Bortel....

Instead of asking GMAC about Howard ( a company which went BANKRUPT because of their fantastic management and owes US tax payers $14 BILLION DOLLARS!!)....I would encourage anyone here interested to ask Howard's DAUGHTER Kitty about his methods.....Kitty Van Bortel is THE LARGEST SUBARU DEALER in the USA. She also owns Ford and Chevy franchises which are extremely successful.

If Kitty isn't available call Howard's son.....Howard, at VAN BORTEL AIRCRAFT.....He's the largest Cessna Dealer in the WORLD!!!!

Gee.....I think we might have a pattern here. Howard's daughter is largest Subaru Dealer in the USA and his SON is the worlds largest CESSNA DEALER....Yea, Howard was clueless.....(hold on while I bang my head against the wall)

Howard was a character, no doubt about it. And he had his demons. But I have NEVER met a more honest and inspiring person in my life. I learned more about business from him in a 4 hour conversation than from any single person in my life. I met him when he had mellowed a bit in his older days, he was BRUTALLY HONEST about his screw ups in life. ALL OF THEM. He helped me tremendously. No one in my family ever ran a business and Howard helped me find my customers and build my business by doing things NO ONE ELSE was doing. AND IT WORKED!!!! It worked for me in real estate and it's still working 21 years after meeting Howard.

I've gotten some nice PM's from members here thanking me for the original post...It was written to simply HELP with some tips that were passed to me by someone who was a marketing genius. I benefitted tremendously from that knowledge and simply wished to pass a bit of it along to the COBRA FAITHFUL here.

What a J E R K I am!! (I really liked that one!) What mastery of language!!

But my personal favorite of all the encouraging comments made here??

GO AWAY NOW!!!! Another "tour de force" example of lingual and mental jousting!!!

I love it!!

As the saying goes......You can't fix stupid