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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys
BS. You're trying to make a case, again, that AC made the Cobra and that Shelby had nothing to do with it and that AC would have become a world class auto supplier and race car manufacturer and that we'd be celebrating the AC Ace today without Carroll Shelby. Shelby made the Cobra what it was. AC was a component supplier to Shelby American. Carroll Shelby put the Cobra moniker on the Ace. Shelby made it into a legend.
Could AC have done it? Absolutely, there is no shortage of talent when combined with enough money can't accomplish anything. [The impossible just takes a little longer and costs more money].
But They Didn't!!! Shelby Did!
Without Shelby the AC Ace would have become another Euro sports car with a nominal following (remember the Berkeley?) but noone would have ever considered "replicating" it were it not for Shelby.
Education over.
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Ah, so the real problem is you're still chapped about that earlier thread, thanks for sharing
Everyone knows the AC ACE was tweaked to get that first 289 out. That was John Tojeiro and his design. If you want to know who made revisions to that design over time they were several, that does not change the fact that John Tojeiro gets the credit for the design.
There is a reason why that 7 page article is called "AC Shelby Cobra, 1953-1963: starting with an Ace".
There is also a reason why they elaborated on Tojeiro's exit from AC and the timing/conditions of it -
"After being paid a fee for the first 100 Aces sold John Tojeiro and AC more or less went their separate ways ... it wasn't until the 1980s and the Cobra replica and kit-car boom that he really came to regret his naive deal with AC, which dissociated the creator from his creation that became an automotive icon and obscured his rightful place in car history."
That reads pretty damn true to me. Then there is mrmustang's post #81 from above that is quite timely -
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Originally Posted by mrmustang
Let's face facts, unless your car has a providence such as the following, it's a replica 
Might I add, that you'll notice how it is invoiced as an "AC ACE" chassis with the CSX2032 chassis ID. |
twobjshelbys - I know you own a csx4000 and want your continuation replica to have as much "American prominence" as possible, but the design from which all cobras sprung belongs to AC Cars Ltd. and John Tojeiro.
If you (or anyone) still disagrees, that's fine but please post a source of information so that it can be reviewed. I was asked to do so and did. I have no problem admitting John Tojeiro might not be the right guy if that's the case, but you'll need to prove it to me with something a little more concrete than an off the cuff "it ain't so".