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Originally Posted by Joe's Garage
Ah, so the real problem is you're still chapped about that earlier thread, thanks for sharing  Everyone knows the AC ACE was tweaked to get that first 289 out. That was John Tojeiro and his design. If you want to know who made revisions to that design over time they were several, that does not change the fact that John Tojeiro gets the credit for the design.
There is a reason why that 7 page article is called "AC Shelby Cobra, 1953-1963: starting with an Ace".
There is also a reason why they elaborated on Tojeiro's exit from AC and the timing/conditions of it -
"After being paid a fee for the first 100 Aces sold John Tojeiro and AC more or less went their separate ways ... it wasn't until the 1980s and the Cobra replica and kit-car boom that he really came to regret his naive deal with AC, which dissociated the creator from his creation that became an automotive icon and obscured his rightful place in car history."
That reads pretty damn true to me. Then there is mrmustang's post #81 from above that is quite timely -
twobjshelbys - I know you own a csx4000 and want your continuation replica to have as much "American prominence" as possible, but the design from which all cobras sprung belongs to AC Cars Ltd. and John Tojeiro.
If you (or anyone) still disagrees, that's fine but please post a source of information so that it can be reviewed. I was asked to do so and did. I have no problem admitting John Tojeiro might not be the right guy if that's the case, but you'll need to prove it to me with something a little more concrete than an off the cuff "it ain't so". |
The AC Ace chassis without Carroll Shelby and Phil Remington etc.. would remain nothing but a spindly little British chassis of little to mediocre historical note. Period. All major improvements that made the car a "Cobra" were Shelby American initiated /requested and then carried out by AC or done by SAI.
Further, Tojeiro was never part of AC to "exit AC". Cite you source on that one please.
Tojeiro is responsible for the Ace chassis design. True. He is responsible for the Barchetta shaped body work that covered his initial chassis work adopted by AC early on from which the Cobra eventually evolved. True. However, by the time the Cobra was coming on the scene Tojeiro was long gone and the body shape had already evolved to the more recognizable Cobra shape without Tojeiro input.
Oh, and my source of information is Trevor Legate "Cobra, The Real Thing" and Brian Laban, "AC Cobra, The Complete Story".
However, lets stay focused on your incorrect statement that started this.
Tojeiro, contrary to your statement previously regarding the 427 had nothing directly to do with the 427 body shape or chassis design beside the then indirect connection to the 289. Nothing.
Sounds like your statement was an "off the cuff" statement without basis. Please explain to us where you are correct if you maintain you are.
P.S. Tony doesn't own a Continuation Cobra any longer. Another "off the cuff" remark. Two for two.