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Originally Posted by Mark IV

Bill,

We have seen New York State looking VERY hard at cars coming in with Montana titles, especially cars from Montana LLCs....you know, the ones you set up for $500 via an agent in MT. so you save the $5000 plus in sales tax? There were more Ferraris registered per capita in Montana last year than any other state. Do you REALLY think any of those cars were EVER actually in Montana? The DMVs in other states are not stupid and as has been proven they even monitor this website. In NYS it is all about the sales tax and they are not gonna miss out on thousands of revenue dollars!

Yup, NYS, Kansas, NJ, PA, California and more have all shown they read sites such as ours. In PA I actually had someone from the PA MVS/DMV in Harrisburg and the owner of a car coming in to the state reach out to me asking about a car being registered as a "1965" back in 2011 (the VIN was not state issued and appeared to be made up randomly) because they could not get an specific answer from another states MVS office (Idaho if I remember correctly)..Of course the person calling had been out to see me about one of mine, so knew I should be able to respond...Took me a few days to track down the information, and the title process was put on hold and then switched from "Antique to "Special Registration" and was finished rather quickly. Owner still happily driving the car today.

Originally Posted by chrisd0729

Bill, thanks for the additional input, I completely respect your experience and opinion. I almost PM'd you today to see if you had time for a call and a few questions on this as I got more info from the dealer helping sell it. The PA titling process you helped us understand completely makes sense and I'm not questoining it. In fact, my questions here are to help support the process you explained.

My question on this thread for the local folks in Kansas is more around the KS paperwork. I'm being told the owner doesn't have a title because KS handles these cars differently than PA and I'll only get a title after the sale is executed via Bill of Sale. Based on my experience buying cars and transferring to PA, as well as your input, I'm only trying to understand what kind of paperwork I can get from the KS seller and KS DMV. Based on the challenges in understanding this specific car, the seller, the registration/paperwork, etc. I'm ready to throw the towel in and just keep shopping. It's just a bummer, it's exactly what I've been searching for and it's being sold via a reputable BDR dealer... just been difficult to work through the process and get the detals.

Bullschit!!!!! Kansas is not difficult state to title a kit car in, as long as you follow the rules and regulations.

First of course is taxes, and Kansas has their own specific form(s) for this

CLICK HERE

Page 48,49, and the top of page 50 to be specific

In the case of the car you are looking at, it sounds like the original owner decided to not pay the initial taxes on the car, nor any annual taxes on the car, most likely borrowing or renting a used car dealer tag.

NOW, if that is the case, I'd be asking about the original MSO/MCO for the car and not just a notarized bill of sale for the car. As both must now be dully signed off on and notarized. Is the seller (not the dealer) the original owner? If not, and the original MSO/MCO is floating around with the original owner, then you may end up on the short end of a stick one day when the original owner decides to take his MSO/MCO and either report the car stolen, or title something else with it. Doesn't sound plausible, look up the term "air car" + "Cobra"..........

You now have some additional homework to do on the car that must be pulling at your heartstrings at a price "too good to pass up", even with the dealer added value (consignment sales shops always add to the actual price the seller wants).

Again, hope you find this helpful.

Bill S.