[olddog]

One more thing I recall. The plates have a substantial area of metal between the 4 pipes. It's kind of a x shape with the curves from the 4 large holes. Once that plate is welded on, it's a PIA to get paint on it by trying to shoot between the pipes. It might be better to put the paint on that side of the plate before attaching and welding. That would have eliminated the acid dip, as you can reach everything else to sand. I did not weld on that side of the plate, as you cannot weld all the way around it.