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No worries eschaider, I didn't take it as you ragging on me. Just saying I agree with you and have data to back up what was discussed. The 4 pattern cam seems to have a place in engines that live at high rpm and the end user is worried about squeezing every ounce of power and fuel economy(relative) out that they can within the confines of rules. Not so much for what our cars are used for.