CScott67:What level? First I am talking about "donor car" FFRs. I can see where if one took the time and effort to build a FFR with the custom suspension offered it would be closer to the same level as some of the others.
I'm not knocking FFRs. I like them and have seen some really execellent builds. I just don't believe that they offer the same level of quality as SPF, ERA, Superformance in components, glass work, hardware as offered delivered by the company. Thats my personal opinion from seeing them and comparing. Aesthetically they are not as good. I've got pretty good eyes and I can see for myself. Not that they are bad, they are just not as good. You do get what you pay for. That never changes.
Are FFRs lighter than some of the others. Yeah. They are. But that necessarily means you give something up in structural rigidity or strength somewhere IMHO unless your telling me they use some special alloy for a frame and chasis components. But for the $9000 or so kit I don't think such hi tech materials are included. Not that the difference in strength or rigidity really is going to make a difference but it would necessisarily follow something is lost.
Do they perform better? Not necessarily. I don't see FFR's dominating the North East Replica Challenge or Run and Guns. In fact I'll bet the Shelby suspension is better. I'd be willing to bet that a Shelby prepared for the track will run as fast or perhaps out perform an equally prepared FFR.
Would I rather have a FFR to go play "pretend racer". Yeah you bet. I'd rather lose a $25K FFR into the barrier than a $140K Shelby. Its just that simple.
Are they in the same league as the Kirkhams and Shelbys. Nope. they ain't. Not even close. Not being elitest. Just stating the facts. If there on the same level as the new Shelby or Kirkham they must also be on the same level as the original Cobras one might say. But the fact is they ain't. If you don't know or understand why and you want details as to why I can supply them. No problem.
You wouldn't pay $60K for a Shelby "copy"? But you defended what you thought was a REAL bid for a run of the mill FFR at $70K when if it was true that bidder should have been involuntarily commited to a rubber room and sized for a straight jacket. You characterize those pointing the clear absurdity of paying such a $$ amount for a FFR as elitest? Man, you are way off.
So while you like jabbing at the CSX as a "copy" (which is inaccurate as being an incomplete description) I can assure you that no one spends the kind of money they spend on a CSX unless not only is car built to SAI's original specs (ie. a copy of THEIR original series and I don't mean engine choice here) but also a genuine Cobra.
Oh yeah, I would love you or any other FFR owner to document any FFR selling for over $40K? Has there ever been such an animal? Show me. In fact please post the highest sale of a FFR. I'd love to know.
The guy selling the Contemporary as a "Shelby Cobra" for $100K is another putz. Classic example of why CS is justified at times saying what he does and getting pissed off. The only bigger putz is the guy paying a $100K for the car. I wonder if Supersnake thinks the buyer paying $100K for this contemporary qualifies as a pigeon? Gee, I guess if that Contemporary goes for $100K the buyer of Steve Sunshines car (CSX 4027) got the buy of the century at $125K!
PSB: No. I remember you. No confusion. FFR guys have been at longer than you. Believe me. You are a new comer.
MrMustang: I'm not elitest. No way. The best maybe but not elitest!
Point is this. I like all of these cars. But don't try to justify $70K on a FFR and deny that there are different levels of cars justifying different levels of pricing and cost.