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Old 12-05-2003, 08:37 PM
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The LS1 is an awesome motor, alot of engineering is in that motor, head design (Stolen from a Cleveland Ford),program etc, just don't start modifying it, unless you get a 6.0L truck cast Iron block, as the aluminum blocks suffer from Core Shift and failure once you start putting boost or N20 into them, or just making some good power....As far as MPG Vs. HP, its all in the cam, final drive ratio, and programming, mostly the programming....I think GM spends more time in this area than Ford. You start running DFI and playing with the programs watch out... One of my friends has an 89 Mustang LX 306 NOVI 2000, 15 PSI, full cats, air pump etc, with his emmisions program gets over 25 MPG, and has made a best of 720 RWHP, has gotten over 150 HP just from tuning his PMS system with Wide band O2....Other friend 95 Camaro Z28 Convertible , LT1 stroked to 396, FAST DFI, 12:1 on 93 Pump Gas (Gotta love reverse flow cooling), 3500 Stall w/lockup 3.73 rear, has ABS, A/C, drives like a factory car, his wife drives to work all the time...Race weight 3980 lbs... went from 12.40 with stock computer, and got 20-21 MPG driving to and from the track, to 11.96 and 27-28 MPG driving to and fromt he track, with tuning and FAST DFI, same car, same track, same skinny ET streets on stock rims...This was @ Lebanon Valley which isn't the highest, but you will run 1-2 tenths quicker @ Englishtown than Lebanon......anyways LS1 great motor in stock trim, not a good one to modify heavily, tuff to keep clutches in them, but awesome power and extremely smooth....Fords 4.6, John Coletti said it best a couple of years ago when they built the Super Snake and I even said yeah right at the time "The 4.6 is going to make the OHV V8 (302/351 etc) look like a Flathead when the OHV V8 was introduced in terms of power." By the way how many people do you see driving a "Stock" Mustang Vs. a Stock Corvette, isn't that why we buy Mustangs, Bang for the Buck and Aftermarket......I did.....Gotta play with em'....

Brian
Sorry my first post has to be in a post like this..... but i just had to jump in and lay my $.04 down.

I disagree with quite a few things you say here.

the Al blocks are plenty strong.... here is a stock bottom end with an Incon kit.... how about a 9.85 @ 138.12
and a launch pic just for grins...
http://dieseldigital.net/images/Colu...3/DSC01031.JPG

Here is a custom TT kit.. with an Al Ls6 block, stock crank...
http://harlan-engineering.com/projec...1-1198_IMG.JPG

pictures of the build-up: http://harlan-engineering.com/projectBFT/

he "only" made like 830rwhp/700rwtq on 12psi.... with more tuning and alot more boost.... this thing is gonna be nutts.

By the way, he is running stock GM HG's and NO o-rings.

and re: the mpg thing... i drive my car everyday i can, on the highway i get 26-28 mpg, around town about 20-23... my car full weight with the old mac mid length headers ran the times in my sig... should be mid 11's now with a good launch and my new mods.
Actually my car is slow compared to most cam'd Ls1's.. heck even compared to the bolt-n class,(stock cam) my car is slow.... alot of the cars are daily drivers and get decent mileage.

Oh.. the clutch comment. I admit, finding a good clutch years ago was hard.... but now it isn't an issue anymore... i have a spec 4 in my car, never slipped a single time and is great on the street.

True my car doesn't make alotta tq... but a friends car does, with the same clutch and no issues.. you might have heard of him:

Check out the tq on this pump gas dyno pull with Ls1 block/heads/crank etc

http://people.maxweb.com/allen/uploads/turbodyno2.jpg

and here are his sites for more pics..

http://community.webshots.com/user/turboformula
http://community.webshots.com/user/mightym0use

And my last comment in this book i just wrote.... i used to be a mustang guy... so i know how the crowd thinks.
After driving/racing/modding the ls1... i will never go back. Nothing i like better than racing heads/cam/power adder 4.6's and whooping up on them.
The '03 mustang is the only mustang that has come out of ford in a long time that is any good...... i still want one
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TR cam 227/224 .570"/.563" 114, 918 springs, JET/ASP pulley, Direct flow lid, 85mm MAF, BMR Boxed subframes, BMR Adj. panhard bar, BMR
LCA's, Hooker Long tubes, Dynomax bullet muffler, MOSER 12-bolt, Denny's D/S, SLP D/S loop, SPEC stage 4 clutch, Ripper Shifter, Spohn relocation brkts, Ls-6 Intake

11.97 @ 115.8... no new times since headers and MAF

...working on a single turbo

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