Bandit - it appears I have not taken my own advice and gone to bed yet.....
Don't confuse me with a Shelby apologist - I am no such thing. I decry some of his actions as do you. I can't comment on, nor understand the baseball reference, not news here, nor my game anyway.
As I said, I see common ground between us.
MK IV - try having a surname like mine, and a father who was a plumber.
Bill S - was that the Chicken and egg question? The answer is emphatically, umm, er............ can I get back to you on that?