[Jamo]

I hear ya back, steelcomp, having run the Butler with a 351C in autocrossing and open track for several years and comparing it to the near SB weight of the aluminum engined Kirkham, I still have to give the nod to the Butler in the ultimate handling column. I imagine the engine weights (351C vs BB Shelby) are damn close, they both used independent rears, etc. so it really comes down to the placement of the motor in the chassis. If you're correct about the driver weight adding to the frt/rr ratio, then my 300+ lbs made me the perfect jockey for the analysis. The low end grunt and great suspension of the Kirkham makes up alot of the difference, noting that the 351C was a little light on the low end compared to the Windsors. However, the Butler was closer to the neutral handling goal most strive for, requiring less corrective action in the corners.