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I think it is interesting to note the personal attacks and insults against me just for voicing a contrary opinion. It's something I am very used to on this board, and I usually respond in kind when so addressed.
Thanks for the defence, Mike. I'm going to do my best to refrain from treating Evan the same way he treated me.

Evan,
I find it interesting that you commented on the Israelis turning the land into something useful. Do I have the right to take your land if you are not doing anything useful with it? I am very much against the recent trend of our governments taking land from residential property owners and giving it to developers. Or do I only have the right to take your land if I am Jewish and you are not? It was not right when the Nazis did it to the Jews, and it was not right when the Jews did it to the Arabs.

Are you at all upset by the level of immigration going on here in the US? How do you think the Arabs felt in the very early part of the last century when Herzl and the rest of them were moving to Palestine?

Did you know that Uganda and part of Bavaria were offered to the Jews as a homeland and were turned down? The Jews back then (and also England and France) cared nothing for those 'dirty-toed bastards' who already had deeds and inheritance rights to the land in Palestine. They figured that they would just move the locals out of the way.

In answer to what the 'greatest generation' might have done - are you familiar with the King-Crane commission? It might be a bit early, but I think it gives a general idea of the direction that American ideas about land ownership were pointed. This, despite the 'Jewish Problem' in the US at the time, as perceived by many Americans back then. Our bigger concern was for the then-current inhabitants of the most densely populated area in the ME. We actually wanted the Zionist movement to slow down its relocation to Palestine so as not to upset the locals. At least someone back then was thinking clearly.

Also, go look up the Haganah, the Irgun and the Stern Gang. These are among the original terrorist groups started in the ME, and they are all Jewish. People in these groups would take sniper shots at innocent Arabs going about their day to day activities in an effort to get the Arabs to leave. Bus bombings were also carried out by these Jewish terrorists.
Many Jews trying to escape the persecution in Europe were not allowed to come to the US, partly because of sentiment against the terrorist actions by Jews in Palestine. Now Israel is fighting exactly the kind of war that they started. As you sow...

I am sorry that the Jews were treated as they were regarding the holocaust. I would never treat any Jew badly simply because he was a Jew, even when they call me a schmuck. I also do not treat any Arab badly simply because he is an Arab. Your rant regarding those 'dirty toed antisemtic bastards', however, makes you look just as racist as those anti-Jew ones are. Personally, I think that makes you, and people like you, part of the problem. Should you be hunted down and killed because you are just as unreasonable as idiots like bin Laden? Unfortunately, it seems as though the same 'Israels poop don't stink' attitude posessed by you is also very commonplace in the US. Until we either look at the truth of the situation, or decide that the history is irrelevant and that they all suck, we will never make any progress over there. Oh, and does it concern you that Israel has the second most powerful lobby in the US? It concerns me that any of our politicians feel obligated to any group that is actively representing another country.

Iran and Syria have both been threatend by the US (including a possible first strike nuke attack). They have seen what happens to a country (Iraq and Afghanistan) without WMD. While I am not comfortable with the idea of them having WMD, I don't blame them for trying to develop WMD in their own defense. It is exactly what I would do if I were them, as I already know that not having them would not save my country.

Steve