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No doubt Toyota is paying a decent wage BECAUSE of the Unions. No doubt 'big business' will take advantage of workers WITHOUT the Union. We've got to have some kind of balance of power, and I think were seeing that in this very pivotal war with UAW and the manufacturers. Will the Union die out right? I doubt it, if it does it will HAVE to rise again, to balance the power. But it will be substantially different, and it's shaping up that way now.

Chrysler closed something like 5 plants just before contract negotiations with the Union came up. Did they do that to gain an advantage, send a message? Slick move on their part any way.

Chrysler has NO overseas market to speak off, their solid USA, offshore manufacturing aint gonna happen anytime soon. GM, on the other hand, could say, 'screw you' and shift more and more overseas. I don't know about Ford, how they doing over sea?

Cerebus will likely do something to broaden their manufacturing outside the USA. I think they have to, it is after all a 'global market'. That will further hurt the Union. "WE" have got to out stuff together or "WE" will be out sourced by Toyota and others that will surely follow the demise of USA manufacturing.