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Xl8or: Once again you are off the mark. Post count does not equate with knowledge. Your repetitive proof.

Post count does equate, however, with experience of whats been said here by and large and the majority sentiment that has come through loud and clear over the years by the "body politic" of CC concerning Shelby. Not all here mind you but the majority of posters over the years.

The recent thread ridiculing the man over his new deodorant venture is proof in point. Why ridicule him for it. None of you have tried a business venture or tried to market an idea? Last I checked this is a capitalist society and those with the moxy and creative effort and capital to make it work are entitled to profit from their success or lose from their failures, at least until Barbra Boxer, Nancy Pelosi and the far left push us to socialism, their ultimate goal. If you knew by way of a Crystal ball that Pit Stop deodorant would be a wild success and it was your idea I'm sure none of you would give it a go. Nah. :LOL Why don't you ridicule Paul Newman for his salad dressings or other celebritys for the products they put their name to. Theres plenty of them. While your at it, lets not stop there, those of you in business marketing a products or service, please post the products or service you market and your business ideas so we can ridicule you and knock you for trying to make money off it or pursuing your business idea. Seems fair to me. No? Oh, sorry, I forgot. This is CC. Ridicule only flows one way. Sorry. LOL.

I am neither defending Shelby or looking to knock him. Just defending the facts.

None of the facts I've stated above have been refuted by anyone citing authorative text as opposed to CC revisionist history mob mentality. Mann helped out in Europe with 2 to 3 Daytona Coupes. Shelby American still fielded its own team at LeMans and with their second in class win together with their wins in the States sealed the World Manufacturers Title in 1965. No where in some of the texts I looked at did I see any reference to Holman & Moody "assisting" SAI in 1965 or 1966 or anywhere or anytime else. Feel free to enlighten me with facts and references. Again in 1965 and 1966 H&M was actually competing with SAI for Ford $$$$. My take of Lee Holman's statement is that there is apparently no love loss between SAI and H&M and as far as I understand there never was any love loss, that it was inaccurate and designed to diminish SAI and Shelby's accomplishments in the Cobra era and to seek credit place more than deserved where it really wasn't due at least based on my readings. Again, if I'm wrong, I be happy to admit it. Just give me the authorative published references and what they say. I'll take a look.

Oh, and some of my references for my statements and position on this thread Shelby, The Man. The Cars. The legend. by Wallace A Wyss. ; Carroll Shelby's Racing Cobra by Dave Friedman and John Christy; Cobra, The Real Thing by some guy named Trevor Legate.

Oinie: You are a genius. Don't let them tell you otherwise. LOL