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Originally Posted by Doubledip
You say it is a bit weak what has happened but I think you all need to read what has been posted over there on the LS1 forums and get the facts before everyone jumps on board and bags out sponsors/tuners.
I for one feel it is every tuners right to 'Lock' an ECU after tuning it as you don't want some Dumbass newbie tuner stealing all you hard earned knowledge/IP and selling it off as his. So buyer beware when having your tune locked by them - but they all will unlock it and put the tune back to standard.
But the point that needs to be made on this particular event is that the ECU was not locked by the Tuner (chipmaster) as he clearly stated on the other forum that it was tuned with his proprietary software. This meant that it could not be read by EFILIVE or HP's but if EFILIVE was available he could make it flash back in a base tune.
You paid for a Mail-order tune and you received one, and a bloody good one as the numbers you are pulling there seem to be right where a cammed 6.0L should be (but we wont go there - hold my tongue). I don't think you have the right to continually bag him out and then also do it in a public place for all to see. It is best to speak to the person responsible and resolve it with him. You said he offered to return it to stock for free. He has basically given you all he can.
If you planned on having it tuned further on down the track you really should have done more research and checked with possible tuners you were likely to be able to get the car to and ask them to put in a running tune with them having the knowledge of you taking the car to them for the final dyno tune - you would have been far happier.
I know of a fair few guys on here who have been in the situation of wanting a tune to start their car and have it running but with the likelihood of further tuning and they have done the research and are now happy with the service they have receive from their respective tuners.
So if you want to warn others do it short and sweet - tell people to watch out for locked tunes or for PCM's tuned with proprietary software - there is no need to name names as he clearly did nothing wrong .. don't drag it on whinging all the way. No one wants to see anyone ripped off and clearly you weren't.
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DoubleDip, Thanks for your opinion (even though it was not asked for.
At no stage during all of my posts on LS1.com.au did I bag the guy who did the job, and as you have noted I did infact sing his praises regarding such good numbers.
What I did do was try to make my point that I specified what my needs and future intentions where, yet he still happily did th etune and took my money, knowing fully that by doing so my future needs could not be achieved.
I would rather he have said, "Sorry I cant do it as only my software will be able to access it in the future".
In regards to it being locked, my initial phone call to him from Mildura he said it was locked for his own protection, then early in the LS1 thread (I cant go back and check until 7.00am tomorrow) I am sure he said it was locked.
Then later he claims it is not locked but can not be accessed due to his Special Operating System (so is as good as locked), even though he knew I needed to access it later.
How can you claim I was not ripped off? I advised the seller what I wanted, he supplied me the goods, it was later found that what was supplied was not what was asked for.
Once again DoubleDip, I thank you.
My issue is with ChipMaster, I raised the point with him privatly, with no success, so I did it publically in a forum where I knew he would be able to see my question and give me an answer, now you have managed to bring it up on a new forum, Thanks.