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Originally Posted by cobra de capell
The source: http://www.heritage.org/research/economy/wm2135.cfm
Graphs, etc included on source page. Also noted is some movement to cut down the cost of wages/benefits.
Blue Collar work is simply not worth $76 per hour (wages and benefits) and if that happens other than in the auto industry, more jobs and production of 'everything' will go to foreign countries.
I'll be out $80,000 if GM goes down, but they should go down with the opportunity to draw up a viable business plan and to hire workers at a competitive salary with competitive benefits. Unions are greedy bastards. |
I can't sleep. I'll try to stay awake tonite behind the throttle anyway. Waa.
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritage_Foundation .
The Heritage Foundation is an American conservative think tank based in Washington, D.C.
The foundation took a leading role in the conservative movement during the presidency of Ronald Reagan, whose policies drew significantly from Heritage's policy study Mandate for Leadership...
I think your source may be a bit biased and I will go so far as to suggest
The Heritage Foundation exists solely to disseminate false corporate propoganda so that large segments of the population swallow the BS. Just like they did the
Trickle Down deregulation theory that has self-imploded. While I appreciate the link, I simply can't rationally believe it. The $76/hr sounds inflated, meant to inflame public indignation. But I don't have time for a more rational link just now. Sorry.
Let me re-direct something for a bit. Will the next bailout be the
oil companies?
Think of the huge drop in profits that has just occurred. So far, it is the quietest major crisis I have ever heard. It makes me suspicious.
So I surmise that the huge drop was just speculators getting out of the loop and
oil companies are still viable.
And that is the problem with the auto industry and just about anything else mega-corpororate. NOT THE WORKERS. My belief is that too many people have been helping themselves to a huge slice of the pie but only a diminishing amount of working class is picking any berries for it. I'm starting to take a dimmer view of the inherent stability of the entire stock market principle. The last thing I would ever do is to blame the workers, the guys doing all the berry picking.
I hope you made your $80K by actually working a lot of overtime ...back when overtime pay wasn't banished by GW several years ago, by the way.
There is no free lunch, not really, except for the guy pocketing your overtime.
Either way, I hope you get your $80K back.
Unions are greedy bastards. But you sound very altruistic.
Wes
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Originally Posted by JAMO
Bravo to the Senate Republicans. Complete and utter kool-aide intoxicated BS to cry for the UAW...
Have any of you apologists for the auto workers actually read their contract? I have...read every damn one of them for the past several decades when they are negotiated since they may set the tone for contracts throughout the country.
But they don't...know why? Because the UAW member is NOT the typical American worker. He or she is overpaid for few skills in performing work now involving robots...they are paid for what they used to do....
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Hey, not all Republican senators are anti-American, Labor that is.
Read their contract?
Heck if I got paid as much as you do to merely read, I'd be glad to read and even comprehend it (100+ pages?).
Overpaid for few skills in performing work now involving robots?
Shoot, I bet you make more money now than you did before most of your work was done by computer ...by your secretary to boot. OK, maybe you are different than your cohorts. For the record, my job (driving giant conveyer belt) can and will be pretty much more efficiently replaced by computer, as will logical procedure jobs like accountants, doctors ,other lawyers etc.
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Originally Posted by JAMO
Could have sworn somebody suggesting you read the contract.
You're throwing your opinions out that everyone is inflating figures, and then you ask everyone for the source of their info.
Where's yours?
Why do you believe the union President's figure of 10%? What's his source?
Move everyone else up to UAW numbers? Typical union mindset...which is why membership has decreased by 60% in major industries and why this country has lost manufacturing jobs to other countries.
And unions will continue to play that song as the ship sinks like the quartet on the Titanic. .
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Read the contract?
OK, send me the "reading" money.
Where's yours? (source)
My source was Cobrabill and I think he got it from a news release quoting Ron Gettelfinger, but I'm not sure. Nobody is ever sure anymore these days. Life was so simple in the 50's and 60's. 10 percent? Well haven't seen any other conflicting figure anyway. I'll need a generous consulting fee if I have to prove it beyond all doubt.
Move everyone else up to UAW numbers? Typical union mindset.
OK move them up to the income level of Lawyers and Plumbers. The last plumber I listened to was worried about making over $250/year. Wasn't worried about his employees taxes though. I suppose he expects them to make
somewhat less. What do you make/yr, anyway?
I guess ...just maybe ...people who live in glass houses can throw stones.
Wes
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