What 351w engine should I use in Ca-to avoid smog problems

[MarkC]

I bought a FFR and want to put a 351w in it. ANybody know what year engine I should use to avoid smog issues?? and having to put all the Crap and smog devices on it?? I wanted to use a 94 351w truck roller block but I affraid I will have be tagged for the smog stuff for 1994

[Ron61]

Mark,

The only way now to avoid smog issues is to get one of the SB-100 numbers. At least up here they will no longer accept the year of the engine block to let you avoid the smog.

Ron

[rustyBob]

with the SB 100 you can run any year engine you want because its SMOG EXEMPT.

[jhv48]

And there are still plenty of numbers left over.

[Randy Rosenberg]

The only smog "passing" small block is the LS3 that being discussed in the another thread... If you want to run a Ford engine, then you will need to get an SB100 sequence number.

[Got the Bug]

Originally Posted by jhv48

And there are still plenty of numbers left over.

It was reported on another thread that SB100 numbers are no longer available. Maybe someone will post to validate if that's the case.

[Don]

MarkC:

CT Composites, state's name for kit cars and replicas, are now exempt from emission testing, approx 300 registered in the entire state which includes kit cars/replicas other than Cobra.

Prior to the exemption, the engine hardware/software required based upon the year of the engine block, with proof required. Not knowing CA regulations, if the year of the block is 1965 or earlier, an alternative for selecting an engine block ? CT also had specific emissions standards which applied only to Composites.

Year of Engine Emissions Controls Required of All Vehicles That Year
Pre - 1966 None
1966 - 1970 PCV, Variable Advance Distributor
1971 – 1978 PCV, Variable Advance Distributor, Evap. Canister, and Thermostatic Air Cleaner or Air Injection System
1979 – 1988 PCV, Variable Advance Distributor, Evap. Canister, Thermostatic Air Cleaner or Air Injection System, and CAT
1989 – 1995 PCV, Variable Advance Distributor, Evap. Canister, CAT, Computerized Engine Management, O2 sensor
1996 – current PCV, Electronic Spark Control, Evap. Canister, CAT, Closed Loop Computerized Engine Management, O2 sensors, Fuel Injection

All Medium Duty Vehicles (under 10,001 lbs GVWR but greater than Lt. Duty till 2004 then under 14,001 but greater than Lt. Duty) with Gasoline Engine were equipped with the controls indicated below:
Pre - 1966 None
1966 – 1979 PCV, Variable Advance Distributor
1980 – 1984 PCV, Variable Advance Distributor, and Thermostatic Air Cleaner or Air Injection System
1985 – 1992 PCV, Variable Advance Distributor, Evap. Canister, Thermostatic Air Cleaner or Air Injection System
1993 – 2004 PCV, Variable Advance Distributor, Evap. Canister, CAT, Computerized Engine Management, O2 sensor
2005 – current PCV, Electronic Spark Control, Evap. Canister, CAT, Closed Loop Computerized Engine Management, O2 sensors, Fuel Injection

[Got the Bug]

Don,

Unfortunately, that won't work in California. It's either SB100 or pass smog to the year the vehicle is registered as a Special Construction Vehicle (i.e. 2010). You'd need to install all smog equipment, CATs, etc. Even then, you'd need a lot of luck.

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Got the Bug

It was reported on another thread that SB100 numbers are no longer available. Maybe someone will post to validate if that's the case.

Still plenty of them are available.

[Gunner]

Originally Posted by jhv48

Still plenty of them are available.

Can you back that up? The post in the other thread was from someone who had checked with their friendly DMV clerk.

[jhv48]

The clerks at my local DMV swore up and down all the numbers were long gone until I made their supervisor call Sacramento to find, lo and behold, there were lots of numbers still to be claimed.

The clerks know nothing. They all assume that after the initial rush, all the numbers are gone.

A simple call to Sacramento is all it takes to see if there are any numbers left. More people are aware of the availability this year than last year so they will probably trickle down steadily for a few weeks/months till all are gone.

[Got the Bug]

Originally Posted by jhv48

The clerks at my local DMV swore up and down all the numbers were long gone until I made their supervisor call Sacramento to find, lo and behold, there were lots of numbers still to be claimed.

The clerks know nothing. They all assume that after the initial rush, all the numbers are gone.

A simple call to Sacramento is all it takes to see if there are any numbers left. More people are aware of the availability this year than last year so they will probably trickle down steadily for a few weeks/months till all are gone.

Your experience was from last year, right? Just saying that we need a couple of people to provide firsthand experience that SB100 numbers are either still available or not.

[WardL]

Not sure it matters much now, but my Dad bought a new '66 red Mustang 289 2+2 Fastback in California for $2,850. It had an air injection system into the exhaust manifold and was the first smog stuff after the PVC. It had a PVC too. Let's see, I took the smog stuff off and back on 3 times, put a Holly 4Bbl and Edelbrock manifold on and it was still a slug. The 3.91 rear end made a big difference. I sold the car in 1977 for $850. The license plate was HPM780. Why can't I recall any other car plate I've owned? Say, wonder where that car is now?

[Ron61]

When SB-100 first started they posted the numbers left on the website but have long since stopped doing that. Not sure why as it was a good place to go see if there were any left.

Ron

[2_Dang_Fast]

Anybody know if you can register through the Auto Club and either around it by registering as a 1965 or go through them to get a SB-100?

[Got the Bug]

Originally Posted by 2_Dang_Fast

Anybody know if you can register through the Auto Club and either around it by registering as a 1965 or go through them to get a SB-100?

There's no way around it. The only way to get an SB100 sequence number is through the DMV.

It has to be registered as a SPCN and current year. Can't be a 1965, unless it's a car from 1965.

[NeilKatz]

I was the person who's DMV consultant told me NO SB100's are left....I asked her again to verify and she said she was sure, but I will try to call Sacramento myself on Tue (closed today and Mon). But I have another question: My reading of SB100 (assuming you are one of the lucky 500) in terms of the BAR inspection, is that you get to choose either year of engine OR year of body style, which is 1965....is that correct? Also, if car is already registered out of state, and that State DMV has the original MSO, when I go to register next Jan in CA, will they take a copy of MSO? Will FF issue a duplicate original?

This is all SOOOOOOOO frustrating: I have been waiting to buy this NV car for over a year (I WISH owner that built it had registered it in NV as 65, but title shows 2003), but had to sell another car first, which I just did this week, so can now buy the FF in NV only to face these title questions!

Anyone else buy a finished, already registered car in another state that was NOT registered out of state as a 65? Assume a "newer" engine.....any luck with SB100? I am in LA, who is BEST person to see in terms of DMV office and BAR inspector that knows FF cars?

Thanks, Neil

[Got the Bug]

Neil,

It wouldn't really make any difference if the owner of the car registered the car as a 1965. When you bring a car that was previously registered in another State, the State of CA first wants to know whether the car was legally titled in that State that you're purchasing the car in. In NV, I believe that a 2003 title would be appropriate.

So, you should be able to walk in to a DMV office with the existing registration and tell them that you want to register the car as a SPCN and plan to go through the SB100 process.

Here's the latest and greatest thread regarding SB100

SB100 Conference at the MUSTANG RANCH

It's my understanding that (in most cases) people who have brought a previously registered car into CA don't need to worry about the MSO.

BTW - I chose body style per the recommendation that others had provided. They will ask you at the BAR what "design year" the engine is from. Here's the excerpt from the directions that Steve documented in the SB100 link above:

• "They will review your car with you and make sure you let them know that the engine is from “design year” 196x (whatever your year.) as they will go look up the year and displacement and notate what is supposed to be there PCV, etc. ( I personally recommend use of 1965 ford 7L. for a 427 and a 1964 Ford 4.7L (289) for small block."

[sthornton]

I bought a Superformance (SPF 1172 - 2002), a NV car Hillbank had on consignment in July ' 09. Just missed out on 2009 SB-100 stickers. Had Temp Op Sticker thru Dec 31. Car was registered in NV under their similar SB-100 when I bought it thru Lance. Registered it here (Westminister, Ca.) in July as 2002, Was able to get # 132 on Jan 4. Going to the right/wrong DMV can make all the difference in the world. Was in/out in 45 minutes with my number.

[NeilKatz]

Glad to hear that, sounds like my situation (car is registered in NV as a 2003 Replica), it has a 302 motor.....when you got your number and went to BAR for inspection, did they go by year of body "style" (65/66) and not engine? I live in Palos Verdes, can certainly go to Westminster DMV if they now what they are doing....what BAR (assuming no issues) did you go to?

Thanks, Neil

One more thing, for everyone, is the "design year" of the engine (a 302) 1969 since I believe that was the year Ford came out with 302?

Neil