BDR passes SPF GT40 at RA...the rest of the story!

[Mark IV]

Posted in a neutral zone (NOT on the BDR forum, just good manners!) Here is the previously posted video of the "Backdraft race car passing the SPF Gulf livery GT40"

Couple of BDR questions...

View the video and pay particular attention to the YELLOW FLAG SHOWN BEFORE THE PASS! Notice after the pass, the car parked on the right side of the track that caused the yellow flag zone.

The race, which was NOT one of the featured Saturday or Sunday events, but rather a "fun run" was shortened by one lap by the orginizers without notifing the drivers.

Yes, the BDR "won" its class, a class consisting of "one of one" I am told. In the points events both days the winner was.....an SPF GT40!

THe BDR did post great lap times and the Gulf car was driven by a novice driver. Congrats on going dang fast, but the "X passes Y" video is misleading....

Lets all play nice...........

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[patrickt]

It's always refreshing when someone "jumps on the truth." Nice.

[Excaliber]

Such comparisons are always problematic, the details can have so many variables you just take such comparisons with a grain of salt anyway. Even if this had been under competition at the time, still, to many variables to really make much of it one way or the other.

U-Tube is filled with such examples, "ricer" beats Z0-6, etc. etc. Any given day, time, place, who's driving, under what circumstances, eh, makes for good press though. Gotta love bench racing!

By the way, my initial impression of this particular comparison left me wondering if the BDR was supercharged? Not that it makes a lot of difference one way or the other, but the sound of the engine seems to indicate less than full rpm is being used. Not really "going for it" just based on the sound. Super charger delivers substantial power at lower rpm's, which is why I was wondering if that's what he was running.

[Mark IV]

Ernie,

Watch the video again and look for the GTs brake lights. Just where did the BDR get the sudden power to pull up on a car that it didn't pull on the previous corners?

[Excaliber]

Good point, and I THINK that is where I found myself thinking the sound of the motor didn't sound like he was really "going for it" at that point. Well, I could be wrong, but it just sounds like a sort of casual pass. Understanding the circumstances now, it makes sense.

[Mark IV]

Yellow flag is like the yellow on a traffic light, it means "speed up and go like hell!!!

[Igofastr]

Cashburn, any input?

[Mark Brye]

This is very childish.

[kayakjack]

I was at the track on Saturday. Not Sunday. There was a race for these cars both days.

The Saturday race I saw had the red Superformance GT-40 driven by Dennis Olthoff leading from the start. He was closely pursued by a Porsche 911. After a few laps the 911 was in front. Next lap, Dennis was in front and he won the race. Someone told me Dennis spun somewhere on the track and that is how he temporarily got behind the Porsche.

The Backdraft Cobras were well behind all this. They looked real strong and were well driven. But Dennis was in a league of his own. I was on the exit of turn one. It looked like he could take pretty much any line he wanted through this very fast turn.

All of these cars were well prepared and well driven.

The Gulf colored GT40 was never a factor. Well back.

It was a great day at the track. Lots of Cobras in attendance. All kinds. Factory Five, Backdraft and Superformance had displays. Perfect day in fact.

I don't know what happened on Sunday.

Jack

[Excaliber]

Race analysis Brye, it's why we drive we Cobras, nothing childish about it. Serious business in fact.

[nymathboy]

I bet a dozen donuts that either of those cars could beat my car.

[Got the Bug]

Originally Posted by kayakjack

I was at the track on Saturday. Not Sunday. There was a race for these cars both days.

The Saturday race I saw had the red Superformance GT-40 driven by Dennis Olthoff leading from the start. He was closely pursued by a Porsche 911. After a few laps the 911 was in front. Next lap, Dennis was in front and he won the race. Someone told me Dennis spun somewhere on the track and that is how he temporarily got behind the Porsche.

The Backdraft Cobras were well behind all this. They looked real strong and were well driven. But Dennis was in a league of his own. I was on the exit of turn one. It looked like he could take pretty much any line he wanted through this very fast turn.

All of these cars were well prepared and well driven.

The Gulf colored GT40 was never a factor. Well back.

It was a great day at the track. Lots of Cobras in attendance. All kinds. Factory Five, Backdraft and Superformance had displays. Perfect day in fact.

I don't know what happened on Sunday.

Jack

Dennis Olthoff in a GT40 is going to be pretty hard to beat. He recorded the fastest race lap at the Sebring SVRA event.

2010 SVRA Sebring Vintage Race - Olthoff fastes lap in class

The BDR and SPF GT40 comparisons are fun, but it's really just bench racing when it comes down to it.

BTW - Here's a link to Sports Car Digest with a story and some nice pics of the event: http://www.sportscardigest.com/hsr-m...photo-gallery/

I like the pic of AC/DC lead singer Brian Johnson who finished second in his 1970 Royale RP2

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

THe BDR did post great lap times and the Gulf car was driven by a novice driver.

I swear that wasn't me.

So, then, you're saying that Gulf livery cars aren't necessarily slower than other SPF GT40's?

Why do CC members complain on someone else's thread where a different truth is discussed? Please, just don't read it.

Do you know how many threads I ignore on this forum? Most of them were started by Patrick though.

Good thread. There's always another side to a story.

[Excaliber]

Looks like Tony Martin is driving the specially prepared Backdraftracing.com car. He's a professional level driver and could likely beat most of us in a VW. I would imagine that particular BDR has the best of everything and would cost a small fortune to duplicate.

Good link Doug...

[Cashburn]

Seems to be a lot of effort here to explain how a "Cobra"/Brick could pass a far superior GT . I think the greater news is that the BDR Cup Cars were allowed to run at the Mitty in whatever class they did. That is the real accomplishment.

There's plenty more racing stories to come from the latest Backdraft product.

For Excal, no supercharger here, just a well built SMALL BLOCK FORD.

[Cashburn]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Looks like Tony Martin is driving the specially prepared Backdraftracing.com car. He's a professional level driver and could likely beat most of us in a VW. I would imagine that particular BDR has the best of everything and would cost a small fortune to duplicate.

Small fortune by what standard? The only thing "special" about that car and the other car that was run is they were built and dialed in the week prior to the event.

http://www.backdraftracing.com/TDpricing.asp

For details on the car and the similarities to our street offering please:

http://www.backdraftracing.com/TDspecs.asp?page=specs

[Excaliber]

...plenty more racing stories

OK, I don't want to be mean, but it's hard to swallow that the OO car is "just like" any other BDR you can buy for 27K, drop in a motor and go out and kick any given GT-40's ass on any given day. Yeah, right, uh huh, more racing "stories" is an accurate statement. I think it is a concerted effort, by BDR, to miss lead the public, period.

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by Cashburn

Seems to be a lot of effort here to explain how a "Cobra"/Brick could pass a far superior GT . I think the greater news is that the BDR Cup Cars were allowed to run at the Mitty in whatever class they did. That is the real accomplishment.

I agree. THe "vintage racing" orginizers are coming to the real world fact that more and more of the "original" vintage cars will not be thrashed about on the race track. without "continuation" and "replica" cars the fields will be soon be empty.

But a "Backdraft Cup" car is a different class than a GT40 or an original Cobra FIA car and to insinuate that just because they are on track at the same time, they are racing in the same class is misleading. While Olthoff's GT40 is not from 1966 it is much closer to a 1966 MK II than a BDR Cup car is to a 1966 Cobra MK III comp car.

No hard feelings, just wamt to make people understand the reality.

People will choose the car that s right for them be it SPF, BDR or Street Beasts. I have said before the best car for anyone is the one they are happy with.

[Cashburn]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

OK, I don't want to be mean, but it's hard to swallow that the OO car is "just like" any other BDR you can buy for 27K, drop in a motor and go out and kick any given GT-40's ass on any given day. Yeah, right, uh huh, more racing "stories" is an accurate statement. I think it is a concerted effort, by BDR, to miss lead the public, period.

I don't know, you seem to have the ability to read here? So why can you not read the details of the Cup Car vs. the BDR on the links I posted.

A street BDR is $31,900 in roller form: http://www.backdraftracing.com/RT3pricing.asp

A BDR TD car is $27,900 in roller form: http://www.backdraftracing.com/TDpricing.asp

You assume too much as usual, if anyone can be accused of trying to "miss lead the public" it would be?

[Cashburn]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

But a "Backdraft Cup" car is a different class than a GT40 or an original Cobra FIA car and to insinuate that just because they are on track at the same time, they are racing in the same class is misleading. While Olthoff's GT40 is not from 1966 it is much closer to a 1966 MK II than a BDR Cup car is to a 1966 Cobra MK III comp car.

You seem to be pulling this from somewhere I believe the only commentary posted on the video (and not even here I might add) was on YouTube and it stated:

"Tony Martin driving a Backdraft TD car passing a Superformance GT40 for
the win, during The Mitty at Road Atlanta."

What part of this is misleading or inaccurate?