Jack Roush Crashes Plane in WI

[Jerry Clayton]

An old saying for co pilots " don't get caught dead setting on your hands"

[tcrist]

Originally Posted by Jerry Clayton

Terry

I have 5826 hours flying B727s

T tail, rear fuselage engine mounting

Overal I have 18,700 hours in transport jets

Jerry

Ok, so then is it safe to say that you have information that the FAA is not ready to release and you know someone that gave you that information, as you did not answer my question.

That is one of many things that pi$$e$ me off. You or someone else does not have the authority to release that information but you talk about it anyway. Just like the news when they have "breaking news" but will not tell anyone where they got it because the person that they got it from was not authorized to give out that information.

Ok, off of my rant. You can go back to regular scheduled programming now.

[Tommy]

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

I believe what Terry asked Jerry was, where did you see/hear the sound tapes of the Roush accident? In other words Jerry, do you have access to factual information about the accident that we have not seen?

[vector1]

tommy, you can be my wing man anyday

[tcrist]

You got it Tommy. Really not trying to start any crap here.

[Jerry Clayton]

Do a google search N6JR-----

I'm not speaking with any authority, I'm not withholding info

I have many years experience and from the pics I saw on here----he did not have landing flaps down---was he going around and had engines not spool up because of high angle of attack and poor airflow to the turbines???? I don't know---did he just not have enough flaps down for the speed he was flying???
We went thru constant checks and training with multiply failures stacked on to us---crew concept was good deal of it---Jack had no crew---Jack had a high speed a/c mixed into traffic much slower than him, Jack
recognized that there was a CONFLICT but didn't reslove it by going around--he was ( by everything apparent at this time) behind the airplane--He walked away so it was a good landing

After the prelim report you won't hear anything out of the FAA or NTSB for months, maybe year or so

just keep checking NTSB for accident info---

Want some interesting reading??? look up and read about the Hendricks accident a few years ago---see how far they were behind the a/c

Jerry

[tcrist]

Jerry,

What is that search? The plane id number?

[Don]

http://www.avweb.com/news/airventure..._203026-1.html

In the above site: Related Content:

" Click here to hear the audio exchanges between Roush (identified as "6JR" and "premier") and OSH controllers at the time of the crash."

[Jerry Clayton]

Right

Registration ID number on the tail of the aircraft

[tcrist]

Thanks Jerry.

From the link that Don provided it sounded like the tower (or whoever it was) new more than the PIC did about his own plane, weather he should of been ok with the instructions.
Jerry, could you tell us what they were questioning about the instructions and weather Jack should have been ok with it?

Couldn't the tower have over-rid Jack if they did not think the landing was safe?

Why would they identify Jacks plane as 6JR and Premier at the same time? Is that normal? Seems a bit confusing to me but I am not a pilot.

[vector1]

jack identified his a/c as 6jr, the tower called him premier, that is normal, if you listen you can hear the tower call another a/c a "lake", that is another type of a/c.

6jr asks if it is going to be ok, tower says yeah, 6jr says i don't think so, tower says use caution for a/c on the upwind, sounds like there was an a/c taking off ahead of 6jr but the tape doesn't go back that far. possibly 6jr was coming in a little fast and cut a really short base leg. but if that was the case it would have been safer to land then attempt a go around. also possible 6jr tried to slow too much turning final for the a/c on upwind.

just speculation, there is quite a bit more going on then appears.

[jmimac351]

Can someone please call Jack Roush and have him clear all of this up?

[tcrist]

Thanks Vector1,
I had it all garbled up in my head. I did not know who was saying what. It is all gibberish to me.

So when 6JR says "I don't think so" was it too late at that time? It only seemed like it was a couple of seconds later and they were telling other aircraft to go around.


I tried to call Jack and the phone number that he gave me must have been the wrong one. Imagine that.

[ZOERA-SC7XX]

Photos of the Roush crash on the jalopy journal site:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...74989&page=326

[Tommy]

The accident report for the Roush crash has not yet been released, but a news story I read today took me back to something I said in my first post on this thread.

Originally Posted by Tommy

.... One more thing. I've long been opposed to the military doing aerial flight demonstations at airshows. I've seen too many good pilots crash and die rather than suffer the embarrassment of abandoning a bad approach in front of an audience.

News Story:
December 11, 2010
ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- A pilot's overly aggressive maneuvering and overconfidence were blamed in an investigative report on a C-17 plane crash at an Anchorage military base that killed all four airmen on board.

Besides pilot error, the crew on board was also faulted for failing to notice the dangerous situation that culminated with the plane stalling and crashing into some woods July 28 at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson.

"The mishap pilot violated regulatory provisions and multiple flight manual procedures, placing the aircraft outside established flight parameters at an attitude and altitude where recovery was not possible," the report's executive summary says.

Bob Hall, a base spokesman, said Friday evening he didn't know which of the three pilots was at the controls when the massive $184 million plane crashed during a training demonstration for an air show.

[tcrist]

The military is going to say what they want to make it look like they had nothing to do with it.

Military pilots are trained and told to make the planes do everything they can get out of them. Even if it over steps the max design of the plane. Military pilots have been doing that forever.

[Tommy]

Originally Posted by tcrist

The military is going to say what they want to make it look like they had nothing to do with it.

Military pilots are trained and told to make the planes do everything they can get out of them. Even if it over steps the max design of the plane. Military pilots have been doing that forever.

I never heard any of my commanders express that opinion. I did have one commander who said it was up to each pilot to decide which regs to follow and which to disregard. He lost his command after two of his lieutenants died while performing prohibited maneuvers. That certainly isn't the attitude I expressed when I commanded a squadron of forty pilots. Perhaps your military flying experience was different.

[scaffold]

any landing you can walk away from is a good one!

scaffold

[timsullivan]

Having walked away from destroying two planes due to his flying incompetence Roushe should clearly quit while he's ahead. But I doubt the stupid SOB will.

[Keithc8]

If you can not pull over and change a flat tire on it I do not need to be trying to run it or want to. Just feel a little safer that close to the ground. I would quite while I was ahead if I was him as well or get a qualified pilot to fly me.