Jack Roush Crashes Plane in WI

[Jerry Clayton]

The whole Nascar group has lost way too many people by flying planes with a bump and run attitude/ego!!!!

The head office boys down there needs to do a study/analisis on the accidents they have had and why so many people got killed---

[Jerry Clayton]

worst situation in flying is running out of altitute, airspeed and ideas at the same time!!!!

[tcrist]

Originally Posted by Jerry Clayton

worst situation in flying is running out of altitute, airspeed and ideas at the same time!!!!

, That statement should be plastered all over the brochures for the people wanting to get their pilot licenses and maybe even a sticker applied to the dash on all planes.

[Tommy]

Originally Posted by Jerry Clayton

worst situation in flying is running out of altitute, airspeed and ideas at the same time!!!!

When I was going through AF pilot training, my mother used to end every phone call by urging me to "go low and slow." I had a hell of a time convincing her that was not the best way to be safe in a jet airplane.

[Jerry Clayton]

maybe she meant sub sonic under 10.000 feet
(you can choose whether thats a comma or decimal point)

Back in the days just after the 250k/10,000 rule a pilot just back from vacation got a check ride from LAX to SAN---he hadn't flown since the rule was in and didn't think about it--took off west on 25L, leveled off at 1000 ft, finished up cleaning up flats/after take off checklist, accerated to 460kts, turned down the coast line, cancelled IFR, went VFR to SAN at 1000ft/460kts---nice view of the coast---check pilot said first time he had seen his house like that even before the rule change--

[SP01715]

Originally Posted by Tommy

When I was going through AF pilot training, my mother used to end every phone call by urging me to "go low and slow." I had a hell of a time convincing her that was not the best way to be safe in a jet airplane.

The same applies for helicopters. Low and slow is not a safe situation should you lose power. We did it alot in the military, but generally not safe.

[IndyCobra]

Originally Posted by Jerry Clayton

maybe she meant sub sonic under 10.000 feet
(you can choose whether thats a comma or decimal point)

Back in the days just after the 250k/10,000 rule a pilot just back from vacation got a check ride from LAX to SAN---he hadn't flown since the rule was in and didn't think about it--took off west on 25L, leveled off at 1000 ft, finished up cleaning up flats/after take off checklist, accerated to 460kts, turned down the coast line, cancelled IFR, went VFR to SAN at 1000ft/460kts---nice view of the coast---check pilot said first time he had seen his house like that even before the rule change--

Sure glad you didn't run over any of the typical small aircraft flying at that altitude. That's a very reckless thing to do in big iron. Glad you didn't make the front page of the LA Times.

[Tommy]

Originally Posted by Jerry Clayton

maybe she meant sub sonic under 10.000 feet
(you can choose whether thats a comma or decimal point)

Back in the days just after the 250k/10,000 rule a pilot just back from vacation got a check ride from LAX to SAN---he hadn't flown since the rule was in and didn't think about it--took off west on 25L, leveled off at 1000 ft, finished up cleaning up flats/after take off checklist, accerated to 460kts, turned down the coast line, cancelled IFR, went VFR to SAN at 1000ft/460kts---nice view of the coast---check pilot said first time he had seen his house like that even before the rule change--

Interesting story, but I never had a check pilot who would let me violate the FARs for an extended period of time. That would make him just as wrong as the pilot. ... It does remind me of the time I busted a check ride for exceeding 250 knots below 10,000 feet. I was a 2nd Lt. flying as number two in a formation. My leader flew at 200 knots and sent me out a half mile so I could demonstrate a rejoin for my check pilot. About the time I started the rejoin, the air traffic controller called and asked my leader to descend below 10,000' and push it up to 250 knots for traffic separation. I had little choice but to go faster than him to complete the rejoin. I considered our flight of two to be in compliance with the rules and I was just maintaining my position within the flight. My check pilot disagreed. I still think he was wrong.

[vector1]

Originally Posted by Jerry Clayton

The whole Nascar group has lost way too many people by flying planes with a bump and run attitude/ego!!!!

The head office boys down there needs to do a study/analisis on the accidents they have had and why so many people got killed---

a while back i worked a departure push from the nascar guys out of kansas city, i remember a few questionable and one very incompetent situation. most are good for the most part, but we watch 'em pretty close.

[vector1]

Originally Posted by Tommy

Interesting story, but I never had a check pilot who would let me violate the FARs for an extended period of time. That would make him just as wrong as the pilot. ... It does remind me of the time I busted a check ride for exceeding 250 knots below 10,000 feet. I was a 2nd Lt. flying as number two in a formation. My leader flew at 200 knots and sent me out a half mile so I could demonstrate a rejoin for my check pilot. About the time I started the rejoin, the air traffic controller called and asked my leader to descend below 10,000' and push it up to 250 knots for traffic separation. I had little choice but to go faster than him to complete the rejoin. I considered our flight of two to be in compliance with the rules and I was just maintaining my position within the flight. My check pilot disagreed. I still think he was wrong.

i would call that "maneuvering" to rejoin the formation, check pilot did not use common sense imo. anytime military a/c are involved, we (air traffic controllers) usually make a big hole and watch things a little closer cause we know they are going to go fast, usually straight up to 10k feet! also, whatever is done inside the nonstandard formation flight is not known to the atc'er, we seperate 5 or 3 mi. plus whatever the nonstandard is 2, 3 or whatever miles if that is what you were flying.

[Jerry Clayton]

Well---------------to answer Indy-----we were a few miles out over the Pacific----and I have never seen any small aircraft very far from shore down low---they are more likely to be at a higher altitute and then they are a hazard-----

Closest thing I ever came to was leaving Long Beach in a turn back to the southeast over the bay, they had launched a weather baloon without any coodination of air traffic departures---and it was close!!!!!!!

And as for a check pilot allowing something----they will ride thru almost anything without saying a word---they are not in command or control---and when this happened it pretty much hadn't been figured out how far off shore the limit went as the rule was primarily for traffic pattern areas below 10,000 and the control zones around the bigger airports were new also.

[Don]

From AutoWeek.com:

" Longtime NASCAR team owner Jack Roush has been cleared to resume flying his own planes. The FAA approval came slightly more than a year after the 69-year-old crashed one of his jets on approach to an air show in Oshkosh, Wis. He suffered a ruptured left eyeball (and eventually lost the eye), a broken jaw, a damaged left cheekbone and a compression fracture in his back. "

Article:

NASCAR: Jack Roush cleared to fly again - AutoWeek

[rodneym]

So the 'Cat in the Hat' does have 9 lives...

[392cobra]

Originally Posted by Don

From AutoWeek.com:

" Longtime NASCAR team owner Jack Roush has been cleared to resume flying his own planes. The FAA approval came slightly more than a year after the 69-year-old crashed one of his jets on approach to an air show in Oshkosh, Wis. He suffered a ruptured left eyeball (and eventually lost the eye), a broken jaw, a damaged left cheekbone and a compression fracture in his back. "
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Damn !
Just when everyone thought it was safe to go outside again.

[Tommy]

Something reminded me of this old thread and I looked to see if the final accident report had been published. It had: click here.

For those not interested in reading the whole thing, it appears that the pilot overshot the turn to final and was distracted by a departing plane while maneuvering back to align with the runway. The end result was high bank angles, a steep angle of attack and a stall close to the ground resulting in impact. The report lists facts and observations, but never mentions "pilot error" or any other "cause" for the accident. But the airplane was working normally up until impact.

[timsullivan]

Roushe never could fly an airplane to safe his life. First he crashes a P51 which should have kept him grounded for life and then he crashes this one. He needs to stick to race cars because planes will clearly be the death of him yet. Mark my words.

[ZOERA-SC7XX]

It's about money and power. What Jack wants Jack gets...

[Tommy]

New information in this video on this very old thread.

[hinoonaz]

Interesting. Never have seen this video. Very poor procedure on approach unless in a J-3 and still not smart unless in the bush in Alaska!!

[Ron61]

I had never saw this video either. The things that I saw said he had crashed into some water and some man jumped in and got him out. Or has he had two different crashes.

Ron