If you wait about 50 years, have no miles on it, and it is perfect condition...you might get your money back. Only the original 1000 or so Shelbys are worth the big bucks, and thats if your a millionaire.
Every Cobra CSX or replica I see for sale is rarely sold for more than it cost originally, get real.
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There was another thread about moving body production out of Mexico .... and then they announce a major price increase ...... any connection ?? Inquiring minds want to know .
At the end of the day, and removing emotions from the discussion, it really comes down to how much an individual values the Shelby and CSX brand (please note I am not discussing anything about perceived quality or other elements).
One could perhaps get a sense of this by looking at Shelby dealers today. How often do they turn over their current inventory, for those that have been built out, how quickly they sell, what does it take for them to remain a viable business?
What is a commodity, what is a brand and how much are people willing to pay for the delta?
Yes but also remember that the CSX cars are different. Different body, different chasis etc etc. As a former Superformance owner I can tell you they are completely different. I think some buyers also had considered this in their purchases.
Without a doubt, there's a segment of the Cobra buyer's market who want a CSX/Shelby, because of the name and number, and are willing to pay extra amount for it. No surprises here or there.
Also, if the manufacturing facilities are moving from outside of the US to the US, then the labor market is far more expensive here and the $10K price increase doesn't surprise me there either.
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Seems to me that the price increase won't hurt Shelby much. I believe that most CSX owners are people who may own other toys, like Ferrari's. We obviously all have discretionary income, but an average CSX owner probably has more than most of us. For the wealthy it's a no brainer. They think, "Vintage Shelby's are more than I want to spend, so I'll get the next best thing". Not, "Vintage Shelby's are too much, so I'll spend countless hours researching the vast Cobra replica market and make a sound decision based on value for the dollar". Let's face it, if you own a Ferrari, names DO mean something to you. Period. Nothing wrong with that IMO, for I too believe provenance has value.
For most of 'us' (if we're in the market for upper echelon replicas) are even considering a CSX, than ten grand for the name may not be worth it. But to the guy who bought his wife a $30k ring 'just because', the money won't mean as much.
I know there are exceptions to who I believe the average CSX owner is, and gratefully many of the exceptions are on this site, but most probably wouldn't have gone elsewhere for a 10k bump.
And while I'm on my soapbox: These arguments and opinions about CSX continutions being a rip off, or the 'ol man being a crook, are getting a little long in the tooth. It's like being a Disney fan but hating Walt because he dipped his donuts in Scotch.
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Seems to me that the price increase won't hurt Shelby much. I believe that most CSX owners are people who may own other toys, like Ferrari's. We obviously all have discretionary income, but an average CSX owner probably has more than most of us. For the wealthy it's a no brainer. They think, "Vintage Shelby's are more than I want to spend, so I'll get the next best thing". Not, "Vintage Shelby's are too much, so I'll spend countless hours researching the vast Cobra replica market and make a sound decision based on value for the dollar". Let's face it, if you own a Ferrari, names DO mean something to you. Period. Nothing wrong with that IMO, for I too believe provenance has value.
For most of 'us' (if we're in the market for upper echelon replicas) are even considering a CSX, than ten grand for the name may not be worth it. But to the guy who bought his wife a $30k ring 'just because', the money won't mean as much.
Boy, did you hit the nail on its head.
Actually I own 4 ferrari's, F40, F50, and 2 Enzo's, just because I can. I actually never even priced a CSX car compared to others, I just told my buyer to get me one of those instead of a real one, even though I could afford one, two, or several. What, $30K for a ring? I'm actually insulted, I never spend less than $50K for any piece of jewelry.
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Actually I own 4 ferrari's, F40, F50, and 2 Enzo's, just because I can. I actually never even priced a CSX car compared to others, I just told my buyer to get me one of those instead of a real one, even though I could afford one, two, or several. What, $30K for a ring? I'm actually insulted, I never spend less than $50K for any piece of jewelry.
Well, if you were a true Ferrari connoisseur, then you would have one of these.
As a factory authorized Shelby Cobra CSX dealer I have the last seven (7) HST built CSX Cobras at SAI factory, in Las Vegas, being finished up - Until December 1st I will offer them for the old price of $ 49,995.00 (+ options) - They are as follows:
CSX 6063 - Color and options TBD by EOM
CSX 6065 - Navy Blue
CSX 6066 - Guardsman blue
CSX 6067 - LeMans Blue
CSX 6068 - Russo F-1 Red
CSX 6069 - Guardsman Blue w/ Wimbledon White LeMans stripes
CSX 6070 - framed and raw body - customer can pick color and options by EOM 11/2010
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Here is just another what if..... What if there was
another replica that was exactly like the fiberglass
Cobras Shelby sells. Down to the last nut, bolt and screw. And they were 40K instead of their old price of 50K. Now are you telling me they would still sell more of the Shelbys because of the name and CSX?
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Jeez, Hersh. You with your "what ifs".
That is an intriguing question. I've seen this scenario done with guitars and watches. You could get an Ollech & Wajs watch made with NOS Breitling Navitimer parts, in effect buying a NOS Breitling for less than a new 'Real' Breitling. And the Ollech & Wajs will have the period correct movement. To watch fanatics 'in the know', it's better (in a vintage sense) than a new Breitling. All of us know Breitling but who would investigate an Ollech & Wajs?
Perhaps more of 'us' would buy the identical 'CSX' knockoff, but not Anthony!
Won't the Riverside Racers FIA fit this category?
That is an intriguing question. I've seen this scenario done with guitars and watches. You could get an Ollech & Wajs watch made with NOS Breitling Navitimer parts, in effect buying a NOS Breitling for less than a new 'Real' Breitling. And the Ollech & Wajs will have the period correct movement. To watch fanatics 'in the know', it's better (in a vintage sense) than a new Breitling. All of us know Breitling but who would investigate an Ollech & Wajs?
Perhaps more of 'us' would buy the identical 'CSX' knockoff, but not Anthony!
Won't the Riverside Racers FIA fit this category?
rodneym
Jeez, Rodney. For us non-watch guys, we have no clue what you just said.
BTW, what does the acronym HST mean? Is that South Africa, Mexico or Las Vegas? I'm lost. Sorry.
That is an intriguing question. I've seen this scenario done with guitars and watches. You could get an Ollech & Wajs watch made with NOS Breitling Navitimer parts, in effect buying a NOS Breitling for less than a new 'Real' Breitling. And the Ollech & Wajs will have the period correct movement. To watch fanatics 'in the know', it's better (in a vintage sense) than a new Breitling. All of us know Breitling but who would investigate an Ollech & Wajs?
Perhaps more of 'us' would buy the identical 'CSX' knockoff, but not Anthony!
Won't the Riverside Racers FIA fit this category?
rodneym
Like putting a Rolex movement in a Panerai case...
Here is just another what if..... What if there was
another replica that was exactly like the fiberglass
Cobras Shelby sells. Down to the last nut, bolt and screw. And they were 40K instead of their old price of 50K. Now are you telling me they would still sell more of the Shelbys because of the name and CSX?
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Jeez, Hersh. You with your "what ifs".
That is an intriguing question. I've seen this scenario done with guitars and watches. You could get an Ollech & Wajs watch made with NOS Breitling Navitimer parts, in effect buying a NOS Breitling for less than a new 'Real' Breitling. And the Ollech & Wajs will have the period correct movement. To watch fanatics 'in the know', it's better (in a vintage sense) than a new Breitling. All of us know Breitling but who would investigate an Ollech & Wajs?
Perhaps more of 'us' would buy the identical 'CSX' knockoff, but not Anthony!
Won't the Riverside Racers FIA fit this category?
rodneym
Actually, it's not a "what if", it's more of a "what happened to it". It's been done already. The company was called "High Tech / Hi-Tech" in Phoenix, AZ, that went bankrupt a while back. That car basically became the CSX4000 car, as Tom D'Antonio from Hi-Tech went to work for Shelby to start the CSX4000 series, and Hi-Tech continued to operate for a while under Tim Gunning.
BTW, I haven't heard of those watches before, but, can you give me some contact info, so I can have my buyer purchase a case of 50 or more of them for my collection?
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BTW, I haven't heard of those watches before, but, can you give me some contact info, so I can have my buyer purchase a case of 50 or more of them for my collection?
50? Is that all?
If you check out this page http://www.gnomonwatches.com/Aviation.htm
it'll show a line called 'Aviation' by Ollech & Wajs. These watches are made of NOS Breitling parts from the 70's. These are Breitling time machines. For the WIS (Watch Idiot Savants - self proclaimed badge of honor), these watches are finer than the ubiquitous Valjoux 7750 movements that are in most every brand, from swiss watches ranging from $2,000 to $15,000.
If there was a Cobra equivalent, I don't know what it is. Well, I guess Shelby did have a story about old frames he found (and McCluskey looked SO guilty in those old photos). But, if Breitling kept these parts and put them back in the market.....big bucks (relatively).
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[quote=stephen_becker;1085170]As a factory authorized Shelby Cobra CSX dealer I have the last seven (7) HST built CSX Cobras at SAI factory, in Las Vegas, being finished up - Until December 1st I will offer them for the old price of $ 49,995.00 (+ options) -
So let me get this straight. Shelby has announced a price increase effective December 1. Stephen is offering these at the old price until December 1. Sounds to me like he's offering them at the current price.
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Originally Posted by stephen_becker
As a factory authorized Shelby Cobra CSX dealer I have the last seven (7) HST built CSX Cobras at SAI factory, in Las Vegas, being finished up - Until December 1st I will offer them for the old price of $ 49,995.00 (+ options) -
So let me get this straight. Shelby has announced a price increase effective December 1. Stephen is offering these at the old price until December 1. Sounds to me like he's offering them at the current price.
Sounds correct to me...but then on December 2nd, you will have to pay him an extra $10K for a vehicle that he already bought from Shelby for $10K less...correct???
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