Footbox pedal designs....

BT SNAKE · #1 (**permalink**) 10-19-2010, 08:31 AM

Eventually I am planning a total makeover of my 24yr old Midstates. During this time I have found a few things that need to be redesigned. The most important one is the location of the pedals. Currently mine are the hanger type. What I don't like about this system is that the Master cylinders are directly above the headers. The heat from them headers heat up the brake fluid unnecessarily. It only becomes critical on the track. If you are not using brakes aggressively then there is no real big issue.
What I want to do is relocate the master cylinders under the floor and I would like the MC's to face towards the rear. If they face the front then they will still be near the headers. I believe that the Butler cars have them facing rearward.
Question... Are the any other Cobras that face the MC's towards the rear?
If anyone has photos of a good way to do this please post them. As long as I'm doing this I want to do it right so all ideas welcome.
My Daughter and son-in-law will have this Cobra eventually and I want it safe and looking good.

Thanks..

Hersh

Ralphy · #2 (**permalink**) 10-19-2010, 09:47 AM

Hersh,
Here is a pic I had come across.

strictlypersonl · #3 (**permalink**) 10-19-2010, 09:51 AM

The ERA setup is proprietary, but I think there are some "top mounts" that can be flipped for floor mounting.
ERA floor-mounted masters

Three Peaks · #4 (**permalink**) 10-19-2010, 10:19 AM

I have a Wilwood hanging pedal set I'm looking to sell that puts the master cylinders behind the hanger into the footbox. I also have 2 of the 3 master cylinders you will need for this set.
The Pedal set is Wilwood # 340-3342.

Bob

rustyBob · #5 (**permalink**) 10-19-2010, 10:43 AM

WOW....24 years that has to be some sort of a record for the longest owned Midstates...
a true survivor for sure....make it shine like a new penny....glad to hear that you are
overhaulin that Midstates instead of replaceing it....take lots of pics. and share them with us...

BT SNAKE · #6 (**permalink**) 10-19-2010, 10:57 AM

Thanks Guys, that helps a lot.

Bob, Thanks for the offer but I'm determined to put them below.

Rusty Bob. It was one of the first bodies out of the
newer molds that Midstates made. I bought it in 1987 at the first R&G.

Hersh

LMH · #7 (**permalink**) 10-19-2010, 12:09 PM

How about a heat shield for your current set up?
A lot easier than reinventing the wheel.
Larry

BT SNAKE · #8 (**permalink**) 10-19-2010, 01:15 PM

Larry,
That was the first thing I thought of 15yrs ago so I made this so called heat shield. I took some of that thermo mat and sandwiched it between two pieces of 24 gauge aluminum. I shaped it to fit under the MC's and bolted it to the footbox. It was an inch above the headers and about an inch and a half from the MC's. It had a small effect as I only got two more laps before the brakes mushed. I will admit that it got even better with Motul racing fluid. The stuff is magic. Even with all that it wasn't what it should be.
Remote reservoirs would probably be a good way to go if they are mounted away from the headers.
Even doing that would require a lot of additional fabrication and possibly different MC's.

Hersh

Mike_I · #9 (**permalink**) 10-19-2010, 02:55 PM

Talk to nick at Acton Custom aka Mickmate on this board. I think that the floor mount setup that he makes and uses on the Contemporary cars will fit our midstates as well. I am also re doing a 20+ year old midstates. Nick just provided me with an OEM CSX dimensioned roll bar for my midstates.

Thanks, Mike

slider701 · #10 (**permalink**) 10-19-2010, 04:27 PM

Maybe you could try sandwiching some Aerogel insulation between two sheets of stainless or aluminum to form a super heat shield. You can buy the stuff on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Aerogel-Mat-Aspe...item19bc28be26

http://www.aerogel.com/Aspen_Aerogels_Pyrogel_XT.pdf

I believe the Kirkhams used this on their $1MM Billet car on the trans tunnel

BT SNAKE · #11 (**permalink**) 10-19-2010, 04:44 PM

Mike,
Mickmate makes a trick unit. I like it a lot. First I'm going to see what limits I have when I take this thing apart.

Slider, That is some amazing stuff. Leave it to the Kirkhams to find a solution like this.

Hersh

Mike_I · #12 (**permalink**) 10-19-2010, 05:05 PM

Or, you can do like me and modify a superformance pedal assembly to fit in your car. This allows for much longer pedals and the correct pivot ratio. Worked for me!

Mike_I · #13 (**permalink**) 10-19-2010, 05:12 PM

Another pic

BT SNAKE · #14 (**permalink**) 10-19-2010, 06:14 PM

Mike,
That looks really good.
I took a photo of mine to post but I'm too embarassed to
post it. My car has been in storage for 3yrs and it ain't pretty.

Hersh

Roscoe · #15 (**permalink**) 10-20-2010, 06:39 AM

Clois Harlan · #16 (**permalink**) 10-20-2010, 08:56 AM

There you are Roscoe. You were such a big help to me years ago and if I have never thanked you then, Thank you. I hadn't seen you on the board for some time. I guess all is well in New Jersey?

Hershel is such a good craftsman I am sure he will figure out how to do his project. Good luck Hersh.

Clois

Roscoe · #17 (**permalink**) 10-20-2010, 09:02 AM

Clois,
Thank you for the kind words. I've been really busy at work as you can see.

Clois Harlan · #18 (**permalink**) 10-20-2010, 01:18 PM

Does she ever blow her whistle? By the way you look as though life is treating you well. Keep it up!

BT SNAKE · #19 (**permalink**) 10-20-2010, 03:00 PM

Roscoe,
You ain't supposed to let others know how good us retired Gum Shoes have it.

Clois, I can make most anything I need but it sure halps to see who's been there and done that. I can always pick up a new trick or two on this board. The folks here are the best.

Hersh

Outwest34au · #20 (**permalink**) 10-22-2010, 03:56 PM

WOW Roscoe, your grand daughter is a very attractive young lady.