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View Poll Results: Who will win the race - March 8, LV Speedway
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The 458 Italia is unbeatable, wins all 3
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The 458 Italia is beatable, and loses 1
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The 458 Italia is beatable, and loses 2 or 3
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The 458 Italia is beatable, but the Cobra's driver isn't good enough, so it loses all 3
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The Italia's driver messes up, so it loses at least 1
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02-14-2011, 09:09 AM
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6th Generation Texan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Don
Arm Drop..........Umbrella Girls
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02-14-2011, 10:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz
#6. Bra toss.
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If they go with this, I'm booking tickets. 
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02-14-2011, 12:30 PM
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Join Date: May 2001
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tommygold
Moderators, What do you think of restarting the poll in light of all the new information? Many thanks, Tom
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Can do...once you assolutely finalize what's gonna be used to start each of you off. You indicate a couple of posts above the quoted one that you're still open to using a tree, just not both of you at once.
If you use a tree (either alone or with the cobra), you still run the risk of redlighting. Harder to call jumping-the-gun with an arm or bra drop. Breaking an electric beam versus visual observation.
If you want the best way to record the actual times of the two cars with the least amount of intervention by driver's response times, etc., use what we use in SCCA Solo events (autocrossing...we use a tree in ProSolo)...the time starts when the car breaks the beam (no tree countdown...leave when you want). That's how they time the celebs and the Stig on Top Gear.
If your bet is based on which car is faster, all things being equal driver-wise (sort of), then that's the way to go.
If, however, it's you versus your buddy with your two steeds...and taking into account your comparative reflexes and steadiness, then both of you ought to man up and run together using a tree.
...just sayin 
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02-14-2011, 12:49 PM
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I'll be at the track tomorrow, see you there boys.
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02-14-2011, 01:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamo
If, however, it's you versus your buddy with your two steeds...and taking into account your comparative reflexes and steadiness, then both of you ought to man up and run together using a tree.
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"Assactly!" If you're not out there together then you're not racing one another. Cowboy the **** up! 
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02-14-2011, 01:39 PM
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Tommy,
The change in rules is a huge advantage to you. With traction control for the launch and auto shifting, this is as close to a "no skill required" race as you can get.
Blitz,
Picking up a second on reaction time was your best shot at a win, since Tommy has to win all three and therefore couldn't take any chances on his starts. Not sure why you made this offer, but since it's done, you need to focus all your practice on getting a good launch with no wheel spin. Without a perfect launch, you have no chance unless the Ferrari breaks.
Kevin
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02-14-2011, 03:09 PM
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02-14-2011, 03:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock
Without the tree...
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Without the tree, Tommy doesn't even have to ship his car to Vegas.
...just both guys post time slips <yawn>. 
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02-14-2011, 03:48 PM
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WoW being amateurs this solves all of Tommys problems, and some of Blitz's problems. The problems with a full race start,would have been, Focus and controlling nerves when you factor in NOISE, STARTING TREE, thinking about the UNEXPECTED, and the temptation of looking at your opponent. This is BEFORE the launch. Now its gone.
So Blitz slip the clutch some as you accelerate while minimizing tire spin and get to your shift points as FAST as you can. COMMIT to a quick shift (foot and arm) 3 times and point the car straight.
GOOD LUCK GENTLEMEN.
Lou
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02-14-2011, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by computerworks
Without the tree, Tommy doesn't even have to ship his car to Vegas.
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Completely agree.
If Tommy stays on the East Coast and Dan in Nevada to get their cars timed.....
Does this mean twice as many Umbrella Girls ?
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02-14-2011, 04:06 PM
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Well they sure as hell took the fun out of this. 
Tommy could just use one of the times out of a magazine.
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02-14-2011, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock
Without the tree, maybe you guys ought to try grappling instead. |
Where do you find this sh....er...stuff? 
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02-14-2011, 05:48 PM
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I'll be there around 9am with coffee and doughnuts. I hope you guys aren't too late cause the forecast for the morning is upper 20's with wind chills in the teens and I don't want to freeze to death. They say it may feel like low 30's by noon.
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02-14-2011, 07:30 PM
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Torque vs HP
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Originally Posted by Mdman352
What gets you to the finish line first??? Torque or horsepower???
Does it matter if a motor makes 600 horsepower at 5800 rpm or 7200 rpm???
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Alot of the myths are debunked here: http://www.lainefamily.com/hp.htm
The big problem with making alot of torque at a lower rpm is greater difficulty in getting the tires to hook up, then the power drops off after you're going down the track when you need it most. A number of the highly turbocharged tuner cars limit the boost in the lower gears so you can get off the line better and then they let it come in after torque multiplication is lower in the higher gears.
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02-14-2011, 07:46 PM
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Prelude to the smackdown
Some members of the Capitol Area Cobra Club have been invited to the Maryland International Raceway as Tommy G. practices and Dan watches. 
While originally skeptical this thing keeps unfolding. Many thanks to Tom for graciously extending a welcome to the Club.
Stay tuned. Movies at 11.
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02-14-2011, 08:18 PM
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I'm betting it catches on fire...
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02-14-2011, 10:19 PM
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Looking forward to seeing some folks out at the track tomorrow morning. I expect I'll start around 10:30 or so to let things warm up. So I wouldn't bother getting out there too early. And we'll get some other folks onto the track after that. I'm actually leaving a little after 1, so there will be plenty of time then too.
As for the use of ET rather than the tree, we do plan to run basically side by side, but use the ET times. Even if not using the tree to start the clock is less exiting for other folks, that's just fine by me, thanks. I'm glad for Dan not to run at all and I'll just book the win.
Dan rode with me some tonight, and I had the feel that boy was a more than a little worried by the time we were done.
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02-15-2011, 10:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tommygold
I'm glad for Dan not to run at all and I'll just book the win.
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A hollow victory, that would be.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tommygold
Dan rode with me some tonight, and I had the feel that boy was a more than a little worried by the time we were done.
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Then let the Kirkham run drag radials and level the playing field a little, huh? What are you scared of?
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02-15-2011, 10:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ACademic
A hollow victory, that would be.
Then let the Kirkham run drag radials and level the playing field a little, huh? What are you scared of? |
Drag radials would be fair because they are a more similar compound to what is on the Ferrari
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02-15-2011, 10:53 AM
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Drag radials would also be fair because virtually every major race sanctioning body recognizes DOT legal tires as in fact street tires. Thus, fair to run in competition.
The F150th Italia (that's the new Ferrari name considering the recent Ford/Ferrari law suit) "shirley" has tires with traction approaching that of a DOT legal race/street tire. Which is precisely why the sanctioning bodies allow for any DOT legal tire to be run.
Levels the playing the field, leaving the car and driver performance as the deciding factor instead of an obvious difference based solely on tire selection. Nothing is proved one way or the other when one car has far superior traction (based solely on tires) compared to another. The results are just to lop sided to draw any conclusions.
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