Drag race - Kirkham 65 side-oiler vs Ferrari 458 italia

[Don]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

GEE TEE great job!

I wonder. Will Blitz, er, Dan, have this "open car" issue at the Las Vegas track? If so, then the bet could possibly be moot.

Believe Tom or someone stated that when the track is rented by a private individual for their personal use, all waivers signed relieving the track of any responsibilities, and not open to the public , the ET rules, etc., etc do not apply

Tom......correct or ?

[RET_COP]

131mph is impressive Tom. It must have been slippery and your traction control was working hard because 131mph is easily in the 10s.
I understand about the bet.
We just don't normally get this kind of situation and I think all of us would like to see something close to the same tire compound for our (can't wait !!!!) post discussions, But I understand completely where you are coming from.
Lou

[tommygold]

Hi Lou. Thanks. I'm very glad to run on a tree and with drag tires. That would be a lot of fun and really interesting to see. But that's not what we were betting. In terms of my best time, I had one run at 11.22 at 132.5. So I do hope that in better conditions I could bring it down, and maybe even to the 10s. Would be amazing.

Don, the tracks have definite rules. Even with waivers, they set limits. Hence today's ejection.

My best, tom

[SP01715]

Originally Posted by tommygold

Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAzM11mUrjw

Like playing a video game. Launching and controlling my car through the first three gears in a night and day difference from what that video shows of the 458. The skill level of the Cobra driver is going to have to be at another level. Nice run BTW...

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by tommygold

Hi Lou. Thanks. I'm very glad to run on a tree and with drag tires. That would be a lot of fun and really interesting to see. But that's not what we were betting. In terms of my best time, I had one run at 11.22 at 132.5. So I do hope that in better conditions I could bring it down, and maybe even to the 10s. Would be amazing.

Don, the tracks have definite rules. Even with waivers, they set limits. Hence today's ejection.

My best, tom

I'm feeling very good about my original vote of "The 458 Italia is unbeatable, wins all 3 "

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by tommygold

Here you go: [

...like a point-and shoot camera.

[tommygold]

11.22 seconds -- external view

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xviTTMlPxg

[blitzforce]

Originally Posted by DMXF

Tommy, if you look at your very first post that started this thread, the evidence shows you claiming Blitz would run "slicks", so you knew that's what you were looking to compete against. Now you want him to run hard dirt track tires... those are far from slicks.

I also told Tom i would bet him 100,000 that i would pass a lie detector test that asked me if i believed that I would be able to run new slicks of my choice the day of the race considering i didn't have real slicks on my car at the time and Tom declined this bet. This is the text transcript a day after we had already booked the bet and hours after he had posted the bet on this forum. Curious what your thoughts are.

1/30 – 7:01pm
Dan: “We putting new tires on anyway. I’ll get the ones least likely
to crash. I’m not trying to die for this bet”
Tom: “Bull****, bull****, bull**** – you were the one saying we had
to stick to our existing tires. You can get new ones of the same
tires that are going to drive your ass straight into a wall. But the
EXACT same ones.”
Dan: “I said u have to run factory stock showroom Ferrari tires they
sold u the car with. I can obviously put new slicks on as well”
Tom: “You said ALL the equipment stays the same – you can put on new
ones of the EXACT same slicks jackass”
Tom: “Not some new and better equipment”
Dan: “Slicks are all the same”
Dan: “I’ve got racing slicks”
Tom: “Well then you obviously have no issue with not cheating and
using the same exact ones. No changes!”
Tom: “If you get tires that are different then so do I and you are so
miserably f’d then that you might as well just drive straight into a
wall – you can put a clean set of the exact same tires on so you don’t
***** about a blowout; that’s it”
Dan: “U get stock tires I get slicks, it’s pretty simple”
Tom: “You are full of **** and that you have to try and cheat now
shows how sad and cheap your life has become – all the equipment stays
the same and you know it”
END

[Don]

Road & Track Road Test Summary for the 458 in Dec '10

11.0 @ 128.5

[tommygold]

Don -- Yeah, I consistently had that R&T speed (128.5) beat. So if I can get the traction in warmer weather on a treated track, I should be able to beat 11.0.

[RodKnock]

How about a compromise?

What about Avon CR6ZZ tires? Not slicks, DOT legal, V-rated or other alternative (M/T's, etc.).

http://www.avonracing.com/road_legal_page.aspx

[tommygold]

RK: "At the track the Avons come within a hair of keeping up with full on racing slicks" -- http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/arch...p?t-79567.html

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by tommygold

Don -- Yeah, I consistently had that R&T speed (128.5) beat. So if I can get the traction in warmer weather on a treated track, I should be able to beat 11.0.

Warmer weather and higher elevation equals less horsepower.

You may not run as fast.

[RodKnock]

I'm only trying to help. There appears to be some disagreement on the tire issue. It appears some mediation may (or may not) be in order, but there are other tire alternatives, as I edited my original comment.

Avons will likely be my next tire and they're about the best alternative Cobra owners have in 15's, but the downside is the expense, at least to us mere mortals. And for the purposes of your bet, they're not drag radials.

[DMXF]

Originally Posted by tommygold

RK: "At the track the Avons come within a hair of keeping up with full on racing slicks"

Maybe compared to road race slicks, but Avons aren't drag slicks by any means. I'm not sure the Avons would give Blitz that much more traction in a drag situation, but they are probably the best overall compromise. The Avons are made as an all around use very high performance street tire, road coarse, high speed, etc, so I guess from that perspective they were built for the same intended usage as the tires on your 458. It seems quite improper to force Blitz to use real crappy tires.

[GEE TEE]

The Avons would be a good choice for Blitz since he actually has his car set up for road racing. After this brief fling with drag racing, he can go back to road racing and use the Avons for their intended purpose.

[tommygold]

I've offered Blitz the Avons in a 2 out of 3 race.

[ACademic]

Originally Posted by blitzforce

1/30 – 7:01pm
Dan: “We putting new tires on anyway. I’ll get the ones least likely
to crash. I’m not trying to die for this bet”
Tom: “Bull****, bull****, bull**** – you were the one saying we had
to stick to our existing tires. You can get new ones of the same
tires that are going to drive your ass straight into a wall. But the
EXACT same ones.”
Dan: “I said u have to run factory stock showroom Ferrari tires they
sold u the car with. I can obviously put new slicks on as well”
Tom: “You said ALL the equipment stays the same – you can put on new
ones of the EXACT same slicks jackass”
Tom: “Not some new and better equipment”
Dan: “Slicks are all the same”
Dan: “I’ve got racing slicks”
Tom: “Well then you obviously have no issue with not cheating and
using the same exact ones. No changes!”
Tom: “If you get tires that are different then so do I and you are so
miserably f’d then that you might as well just drive straight into a
wall – you can put a clean set of the exact same tires on so you don’t
***** about a blowout; that’s it”
Dan: “U get stock tires I get slicks, it’s pretty simple”
Tom: “You are full of **** and that you have to try and cheat now
shows how sad and cheap your life has become – all the equipment stays
the same and you know it”
END

So THIS is how millionaires negotiate. Taking good notes.

[Silverback51]

Why are people referring to the Goodyear BB's as "crappy tires"??

[tommygold]

All -- just so you know, this is the tone Dan and I take in all our exchanges. Picking somewhere to eat would be much harsher than this one. It wasn't us trying to verbally kill each other.

SB51 -- I think there's some confusion about what Dan's tires actually are. He has some kind of slick that says (I think) "Goodyear Eagle" on them. But he says they aren't BBs.