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03-07-2011, 11:59 AM
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Patrick, what was the lead time with the nitriding?
I just ordered a custom hydraulic roller from them last week and they said about 4-5 days lead time.
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03-07-2011, 12:02 PM
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Patrick, what was the lead time with the nitriding?
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Richard didn't say, but he seemed quite matter of fact about doing it so I doubt it's more than a couple of days, if that. |
03-08-2011, 05:35 PM
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First never trust a Richard. There's Richard Nixon, Richard at Halibrand............. 
BTW, is this a "billet" cam core? |
03-08-2011, 05:39 PM
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LOL...
This one is not billet.....but it is nitrided. Too bad someone can't donate a set of Schubecks...... 
Patrick...
On the record, I do appreciate you doing this for me and I thank you. However, let me reiterate (and hold the same position that I always have) that I will not use a flat tappet cam in a customer's engine. Just so you know. |
03-08-2011, 05:42 PM
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However, let me reiterate (and hold the same position that I always have) that I will not use a flat tappet cam in a customer's engine. Just so you know. |
Yeah, yeah, yeah... I'm trying to think of an "inverse shoemaker's children" parable.  |
03-08-2011, 05:47 PM
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And for those Schubeck lifters, I'm going to let Mr. Moneybags RodKnock step up to the plate on those for you.... |
03-08-2011, 05:50 PM
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LOL...
This one is not billet.....but it is nitrided. Too bad someone can't donate a set of Schubecks...... |
While we're wishing, how about some Jessel or T&D roller rockers too.
You're more knowledgable than I, Brent, but I always thought that the Crower lifters were really nice pieces. |
03-08-2011, 05:50 PM
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Ah c'mon Pat, they're only $745 for a set....
No break-in required... |
03-08-2011, 05:53 PM
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The Schubeck lifters are composite. Some are tool steel. I have never used a set but the general consensus is that there is no break-in required and even if you swap camshafts, you just throw the lifters right back in and keep on truckin'.
As for roller lifters, then yes, the Crower or Isky lifters are the ticket...
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03-08-2011, 05:55 PM
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The Schubeck lifters are composite. I have never used a set but the general consensus is that there is no break-in required and even if you swap camshafts, you just throw the lifters right back in and keep on truckin'.
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Gimmick. They cost ten times what my Elgin solid lifters cost. If you're replacing the cam, just replace the lifters. |
03-08-2011, 05:58 PM
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No gimmick....
My dyno operator swears by them...
Throw your Elgins in without break-in oil, cam lube, rain dance, etc., and see if they live. |
03-08-2011, 06:00 PM
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No gimmick....
My dyno operator swears by them...
Throw your Elgins in without break-in oil, cam lube, rain dance, etc., and see if they live. |
Ahhh, so you will build a SFT for a customer if they spring for the Schubeck lifters as well?  |
03-08-2011, 06:01 PM
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Wow, that was a stretch....
No go buddy.
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03-08-2011, 06:52 PM
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I suppose if you were swapping cams a lot they would indeed pay for themselves. What lifters are you planning on using?
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03-08-2011, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by blykins
The Schubeck lifters are composite. Some are tool steel. I have never used a set but the general consensus is that there is no break-in required and even if you swap camshafts, you just throw the lifters right back in and keep on truckin'.
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Not trying to take the thread off track, Brent, but this is intriguing! Tell us more, please!
I watched a friend destroy an FE once, he replaced the cam and put the old lifters back in. As he was getting ready to start it up, I told him he couldn't do that, but he scoffed. 30 minutes later he was wondering why the engine had self-destructed.
Imagine the savings for someone who changes cams frequently!!
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03-08-2011, 08:15 PM
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Wow, that was a stretch....
No go buddy.
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I like the nickname "Stretch" for Patrick, since 75% of his conclusions tend to be 100% wrong.
I've heard of Shubecks, but never ever have I heard of anyone using them.
Elgins? What kind of off brand is that? |
03-09-2011, 02:49 AM
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Patrick, I haven't got that far yet...probably Comp Cams. I'm not paying for Schubecks. I see they do have a tool steel version for about $550, but still....
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03-09-2011, 05:39 AM
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Elgin, Schmelgin...
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Elgins? What kind of off brand is that? |
Actually, I'm not even sure that my lifters are Elgins, I know my cam is though. Back at the time my engine was being built there was a lifter problem, so finding good lifters was tricky - I vaguely remember discussing Johnson lifters at the time. Truthfully, I'm not sure what's in there. There are two different "Elgin" companies. Dimitri Elgin is one of those "founding father" cam guys, like Crane. There is also an Elgin Industries in Elgin, IL. They are a big glob of an auto parts manufacturer -- they make every single auto part ever known to man. My cam comes from this big glob company, not from Mr. Elgin. When it comes to SFT cams, all the cores come from two sources anyway, so I don't think it makes a huge difference, unless you're buying from "Fly-by-Night Cams."
Elgin Cams: http://www.elgincams.com/index.html
Elgin Industries: http://www.elginind.com/ourcompany.html |
03-09-2011, 10:18 AM
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Actually, I'm not even sure that my lifters are Elgins, I know my cam is though.
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For someone so fastidious, to not know what lifters are in your engine seems incongruous.
I think Brent is noodling you towards buying the discounted Shubecks for him. |
03-09-2011, 10:24 AM
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I think Brent is noodling you towards buying the discounted Shubecks for him. |
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