Oil filter threads

[Ant]

I am looking at buying Petersons new remote oil filter mount this has a oil primer incorporated which an electric drill can be used on the drive spud, for those who want to prime their engines.
I have dry sump but can't access the pump drive spud and its a hassle taking the belt off periodically.

The filters come in either Ford 3/4"-16 thread or GM13/16"-16 threads now as its a remote filter would it be worth going to the slightly larger filter thread for possibly more flow if the hole is correspondingly larger, my other idea is to stick with traditional ford. Does anyone know if there is any advantage with GM filters or just me being pedantic again.

[strictlypersonl]

There is probably 500 times the difference in pressure drop(13/16" vs 3/4") within the rest of the system.

[Ant]

Originally Posted by strictlypersonl

There is probably 500 times the difference in pressure drop(13/16" vs 3/4") within the rest of the system.

Thanks B, I guess my query is a bit meaningless, and its a matter of preference of Ford or Chev.

[YerDugliness]

Originally Posted by Ant

Thanks B, I guess my query is a bit meaningless, and its a matter of preference of Ford or Chev.

I's suspect the real question, which IIRC has already been researched by MadMaxx, is which brand of oil filter might flow better, not which manufacturer's product it fits.

BTW....how about posting a link to the piece under discussion? I like the idea of being able to prime my engine after a long "nap" with an electric drill. Sure would eliminate the majority of my need for an Accusump!

Thanks!

Cheers from Dugly !!

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by YerDugliness

BTW....how about posting a link to the piece under discussion?

Click here: Peterson Fluid Systems : Spin On Filter Mounts

[Jac Mac]

Chev/GM filter does not have an internal filter by-pass valve, Ford does.
Since yours is dry sump Ant all you have to do is flick the belt off & spin the pump by hand to pre lube, dont have to worry about keeping the battery drill charged up then

[vector1]

are you going to be able to pull the oil through the dry sump pump?

[eschaider]

Originally Posted by Ant

I am looking at buying Petersons new remote oil filter mount this has a oil primer incorporated which an electric drill can be used on the drive spud, for those who want to prime their engines. ...

...filters come in either Ford 3/4"-16 thread or GM13/16"-16 threads ... would it be worth going to the slightly larger filter thread ...

There is a big advantage to using the NASCAR 1-1/2" diameter nipple (12 or 16 threads per inch) filters. Interestingly that is what Peterson first made those remotes for. Use a WIX 50003R or 50007R filter. Click here => Wix Filters. Or use the 57222R for larger capacity filtration.

There is also a non NASCAR WIX filter w/o the internal by-pass if that's what you want. Although it uses a different size mounting thread (1-1/8" x 16) Check out the flow differences in the T-10 and T-71 filter material. You will be impressed.

Ed

[YerDugliness]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Click here: Peterson Fluid Systems : Spin On Filter Mounts

Thanks, Patrick....that's a cool looking bit of gear there, might be one of my next purchases for the Cobra. I do let my car sit over the winter down here in TX, so a pre-lube function is a wish come true for me!!

Originally Posted by eschaider

Check out the flow differences in the T-10 and T-71 filter material. You will be impressed.

Ed

VERY interesting....one favors flow rate while the other favors filtration.

I'm just curious, I've never seen any ratings like those....why would they rate an oil filter by how many CFM of air it will pass?

Cheers, Dugly

[Ant]

Originally Posted by YerDugliness

I's suspect the real question, which IIRC has already been researched by MadMaxx, is which brand of oil filter might flow better, not which manufacturer's product it fits.

BTW....how about posting a link to the piece under discussion? I like the idea of being able to prime my engine after a long "nap" with an electric drill. Sure would eliminate the majority of my need for an Accusump!

Thanks!

Cheers from Dugly !!

Dugly, Patrick beat me to it with the website information - good stuff, they sent me a flyer with their small mount filters which are available now according to my supplier in IL.

[Ant]

Originally Posted by Jac Mac

Chev/GM filter does not have an internal filter by-pass valve, Ford does.
Since yours is dry sump Ant all you have to do is flick the belt off & spin the pump by hand to pre lube, dont have to worry about keeping the battery drill charged up then

Jac Mac you are right I could take the belt off etc thats what I did when we dynoed the engine and used a speed brace, but its a bit inaccessible as my engine bay is quite crowded, I need a filter mount and it would make it easy to prime the engine on a more regular basis, mind you when my road car has done 500,000k of hard miles with no issues. I am thinking its only important when the block is dry.

Regarding filters I am going to use these Canton screw on filters
https://www.cantonracingproducts.com...ion&key=25-434
they have no bypass, flow 45 gpm and filter down to 8microns. As you mention I might be better to go for a Ford remote mount as I can use a variety of high performance Ford filters such as K&N etc, the small mounts are HP1, HP4 etc. I had a Fram HP6 mount and it was just massive so I got rid of it.

[Jac Mac]

Originally Posted by Ant

Jac Mac you are right I could take the belt off etc thats what I did when we dynoed the engine and used a speed brace, but its a bit inaccessible as my engine bay is quite crowded, I need a filter mount and it would make it easy to prime the engine on a more regular basis, mind you when my road car has done 500,000k of hard miles with no issues. I am thinking its only important when the block is dry.

Regarding filters I am going to use these Canton screw on filters
https://www.cantonracingproducts.com...ion&key=25-434
they have no bypass, flow 45 gpm and filter down to 8microns. As you mention I might be better to go for a Ford remote mount as I can use a variety of high performance Ford filters such as K&N etc, the small mounts are HP1, HP4 etc. I had a Fram HP6 mount and it was just massive so I got rid of it.

Ant, you know what I am like, go thru the Filter catalogue until I find what I want then make whatever I need!! The better catalogues show thread size/o-ring dia & overall length & dia, so you just pick whatever you can fit & go from there...as mentioned in above posts the larger thread sizes wont restrict flow & the larger dia Chev/GM O-Ring allows more holes on the outer side.

Dont think this deal you have lined up would work in the setups I run as it would have to pull the oil thru the pressure section of the dry sump pump, We go -tank, pump pressure, cooler, filter, motor... the critical bit is - tank, pump- which is the same way you have yours IIRC unless it uses an extra line to the tank or pan bottom to source oil from..[yep,looks like that is how they do it--more plumbing]

[Ant]

Jac Mac,

Do you tend to use the HP6 size?

The Peterson primer mount uses a -10 line from oil tank or engine sump.

I was going to do the pressure section to t/stat, oil cooler, filter to engine.
Changed to scavenge, cm inspection filter, canton t/stat, oil cooler - oil tank.
That way the filter and t/stat should route cold oil to tank to avoid a cooler failure on a cold engine, also I will be cooling oil and air so not ideal but I don't think oil temperature will be that bigger deal with alloy engine etc.

[eschaider]

Originally Posted by YerDugliness

...VERY interesting....one favors flow rate while the other favors filtration.

I'm just curious, I've never seen any ratings like those....why would they rate an oil filter by how many CFM of air it will pass?

Cheers, Dugly

Honestly, I am not certain. They have a volume flow rating so it would seem redundant to also use an air flow rating. The only thing that comes to mind is it may be a way of describing the oil pressure restriction introduced by the filter element.

NASCAR filters notwithstanding, that Canton unit looks mighty impressive - although a little pricey. A lot cheaper than engine parts though.

Ed

[Jac Mac]

Yes we are using threads & O-Rings of that Dimension, but just plain Chevy Filter in the TVR, with the oil/water heat exchanger we have had no cold start pressure issue/leaks etc [as long as Greg or I do the first start] some of the yanks/canadians that tag along are liabilities in that regard.. its no wonder we see so many sheared oil pump drives/gears on these forums...

[Ant]

Originally Posted by Jac Mac

Yes we are using threads & O-Rings of that Dimension, but just plain Chevy Filter in the TVR, with the oil/water heat exchanger we have had no cold start pressure issue/leaks etc [as long as Greg or I do the first start] some of the yanks/canadians that tag along are liabilities in that regard.. its no wonder we see so many sheared oil pump drives/gears on these forums...

I went for the GM HP4 size filter, I am sure it will flow enough and the filter is rated at 45gpm. I guess the big thread filter are equivalent to approx -16an size where the HP4 is approx -12an.

Do you reckon the kiwi's have less lead in their foot than the Yanks/Canadians!

[Jac Mac]

Originally Posted by Ant

Do you reckon the kiwi's have less lead in their foot than the Yanks/Canadians!

No, Im sure its just a wiring problem, a poor connection between foot & brain...... actually it seems to occur between the brain & any part of the body at times, remind me to elaborate to you when I see you... involves cars going on fire, melted pistons, three gearboxs, two days of hauler driving for about 8 laps of nothing, a trip into the armco,it just goes on & on, you gotta laugh about it, if you start to ask why it just makes you want to cry!!

[Ant]

Jac Mac,

That is really par for the course at times, I no doubt will go through a bit of that when this little rocket is finished, there is always a few things that creep up with the best laid plans etc. I feel being more hands on with my project at least I am able to do most of the work. I am not that far away from redoing the IRS.
I am keen to find out what promoted these incidents with the white car. Hope you can call in next time your going through the big town of Ashburton.