Don't know how many they built but I saw one (CSX4000 series) here in Dallas 5 or 6 years ago and althought the motor was very cool the car was not prepped very well prior to painting. Hopefully this is a different car as the one I saw would not be worth $70K.
“If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough horsepower.”
Plus what happens after 500 miles? Time for a complete rebuild?
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“If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough horsepower.”
It's a great looking car, BUT... This dealership does have some really great looking cars. I remember one 67 GT500 they advertised a while back for some insane price. Well, I saw that car being restored locally. While not to bad of a resto job, it looked absolutely incredible online! It was not as spotless as it was online. If you saw what kinda surgery this car went through too, you would have never paid what they wanted either!
I like the Nascar/ Bill Elliott theme. Being a Ga. native and also a former as a Nascar mechanic, I like it. BUT, I've been to Ernie's shop and seen these motors just laying around like a crop of mushrooms. The last time I was up there he had over 65 complete Dodge motors from a Nascar team that had just folded. Now if I could figure out how to shove one of those motors in a Cobra, GEEZ! Anyway, the point is these motors are a dime a dozen and are probably built with left over parts from the day. Not bad stuff but also nothing new like the Dodge motors or current Ford stuff. Also, with a drive sump motor we would ALWAYS take the front belt off and prelub the motor BEFORE starting. I didn't notice an accusump system (maybe I missed it). Those motors can actually wipe lobes and bearings out when trying to start with out the oil in the pan! It's a long way for the oil to come from all the way in the trunk. I agree too, these motors won't last you 10K miles either. It's even got a Jerico tranny. Now, that's pretty slick but again on the street it wouldn't last long. You really need to have oil coolers/ with pumps on those boxes to keep them from blowing up too. Ernie has an incredible shop with a huge parts dept. It's been a long time since these motors were in there hey day! It's cool but I'd rather have one of Cashburn's Cobra's with the Coyote motor!! Regards, Matt
It's a great looking car, BUT... This dealership does have some really great looking cars. I remember one 67 GT500 they advertised a while back for some insane price. Well, I saw that car being restored locally. While not to bad of a resto job, it looked absolutely incredible online! It was not as spotless as it was online. If you saw what kinda surgery this car went through too, you would have never paid what they wanted either!
I like the Nascar/ Bill Elliott theme. Being a Ga. native and also a former as a Nascar mechanic, I like it. BUT, I've been to Ernie's shop and seen these motors just laying around like a crop of mushrooms. The last time I was up there he had over 65 complete Dodge motors from a Nascar team that had just folded. Now if I could figure out how to shove one of those motors in a Cobra, GEEZ! Anyway, the point is these motors are a dime a dozen and are probably built with left over parts from the day. Not bad stuff but also nothing new like the Dodge motors or current Ford stuff. Also, with a drive sump motor we would ALWAYS take the front belt off and prelub the motor BEFORE starting. I didn't notice an accusump system (maybe I missed it). Those motors can actually wipe lobes and bearings out when trying to start with out the oil in the pan! It's a long way for the oil to come from all the way in the trunk. I agree too, these motors won't last you 10K miles either. It's even got a Jerico tranny. Now, that's pretty slick but again on the street it wouldn't last long. You really need to have oil coolers/ with pumps on those boxes to keep them from blowing up too. Ernie has an incredible shop with a huge parts dept. It's been a long time since these motors were in there hey day! It's cool but I'd rather have one of Cashburn's Cobra's with the Coyote motor!! Regards, Matt
You are so right, you also need to heat the oil before you build pressure, those things are very much like F1 and Indy car in terms of clearances, do it wrong and you ruin your engine. Ernie was never in the same league as Robert Yates or even Roush when they were all building separately. He got his reputation from the time they were running Clevelands in the narrow T-birds that had a leg up on everybody as did Bill, on an even playing field they weren't that good. I would highly doubt 860 on a calibrated dyno and yes, you can bet there are no really up to date parts in that engine. I saw one of the used Yates Pre FR9 Ford engines on a dyno a couple of months ago it it was around 830 with a cam you could not drive on the street.
You are so right, you also need to heat the oil before you build pressure, those things are very much like F1 and Indy car in terms of clearances, do it wrong and you ruin your engine. Ernie was never in the same league as Robert Yates or even Roush when they were all building separately. He got his reputation from the time they were running Clevelands in the narrow T-birds that had a leg up on everybody as did Bill, on an even playing field they weren't that good. I would highly doubt 860 on a calibrated dyno and yes, you can bet there are no really up to date parts in that engine. I saw one of the used Yates Pre FR9 Ford engines on a dyno a couple of months ago it it was around 830 with a cam you could not drive on the street.
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With the engine rules NASCAR has in place,one is limited on what can be done with the cam/heads, without NASCAR rules these engines are very capable of a lot more power...900+hp is easy......
With that said, a guy here bought on older Roush engine,supposedly rebuilt with only dyno time on it,put it in a road race Mustang and is he is very disappointed with it.....Doesn't want to idle at anything less than 1500 rpms, and doesn't want to run under any load at less than 2500 rpms without bucking and spitting....these engines are built to run in the 5500 to 9000 rpm range, anything else, they just don't work very well......
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NASCA motor parts are very easy to find.I'm just about ready to start assembling an SB2 427" using an aluminum Donovan block.Building a motor like this you need to focus on everything taking nothing for granted,all clearances have to be on the money call it blueprinting for short.This motor is not for the Cobra the 460 is all this car needs.
It's a great looking car, BUT... This dealership does have some really great looking cars. I remember one 67 GT500 they advertised a while back for some insane price. Well, I saw that car being restored locally. While not to bad of a resto job, it looked absolutely incredible online! It was not as spotless as it was online. If you saw what kinda surgery this car went through too, you would have never paid what they wanted either!
I like the Nascar/ Bill Elliott theme. Being a Ga. native and also a former as a Nascar mechanic, I like it. BUT, I've been to Ernie's shop and seen these motors just laying around like a crop of mushrooms. The last time I was up there he had over 65 complete Dodge motors from a Nascar team that had just folded. Now if I could figure out how to shove one of those motors in a Cobra, GEEZ! Anyway, the point is these motors are a dime a dozen and are probably built with left over parts from the day. Not bad stuff but also nothing new like the Dodge motors or current Ford stuff. Also, with a drive sump motor we would ALWAYS take the front belt off and prelub the motor BEFORE starting. I didn't notice an accusump system (maybe I missed it). Those motors can actually wipe lobes and bearings out when trying to start with out the oil in the pan! It's a long way for the oil to come from all the way in the trunk. I agree too, these motors won't last you 10K miles either. It's even got a Jerico tranny. Now, that's pretty slick but again on the street it wouldn't last long. You really need to have oil coolers/ with pumps on those boxes to keep them from blowing up too. Ernie has an incredible shop with a huge parts dept. It's been a long time since these motors were in there hey day! It's cool but I'd rather have one of Cashburn's Cobra's with the Coyote motor!! Regards, Matt
I agree probably built from used stuff, in addition to priming you have to preheat the oil prior to firing if it is a true nascar spec engine. Valve springs have to be changed on a regular basis too especially if you turn it hard.
Having seen some of Elliots stuff dynoed doubt the 860 hp number too.
Is this one of the two Bill Elliot Signature Series cars produced by Shelby American a few years ago? I remember seeing one of those on Cobra Country a while back.
Either way, it's a nice-looking car. Aluminum body. Not sure why they went with Stewart-Warner gauges instead of Smiths, or that ordinary shifter, but otherwise it seems like a sweet car. Big price, though.
__________________ "Anyone who drives faster than you is a Maniac,
and anyone who drives slower is an Idiot." - George Carlin
Is this one of the two Bill Elliot Signature Series cars produced by Shelby American a few years ago? I remember seeing one of those on Cobra Country a while back.
Either way, it's a nice-looking car. Aluminum body. Not sure why they went with Stewart-Warner gauges instead of Smiths, or that ordinary shifter, but otherwise it seems like a sweet car. Big price, though.
Glass body, not aluminum, says it twice in the video and in the text description on the website.
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“If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough horsepower.”
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With all of the excellent Shelby replicas on the market today, there still is simply no substitute for a real Shelby America fiberglass body. Professionally finished and assembled, this '65 Cobra replica features a gel coat that is as smooth as a freshly blown piece of glass and provides an excellent foundation for the cars dynamic red paint.
Its clearly described as fiberglass on the website and in the video.
Its a stunning Cobra, but if the Shelby/Elliot names are not worth the premium to you, a Cobra equally as nice and just as fast could be built for a lot less than $160K.
If the names are worth the premium to you, then its a bargain.
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Oops, my mistake. I misread the description. Have never seen a fiberglass body mounted on a tube frame before, just like the original ally-bodied cars were, which was the source of my confusion.
__________________ "Anyone who drives faster than you is a Maniac,
and anyone who drives slower is an Idiot." - George Carlin
Joke, only driven 3 miles, not even a sorted car. You can buy used (500 miles or less) Roush/Yates cup car engines minus carb. and dist. for $15k. 850 plus hp.
__________________ Jeff
“If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough horsepower.”
Oops, my mistake. I misread the description. Have never seen a fiberglass body mounted on a tube frame before, just like the original ally-bodied cars were, which was the source of my confusion.
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