Cobra: CSX2009

[jeffy]

Originally Posted by RACER X #99

Uh RACER X was already taken what was I supposed to do?

OK, truce.

[twobjshelbys]

It's a cool Cobra in its current form and I would love to have an hour with it to take some pictures.

(Trying to get the thread back on topic )

[RET_COP]

I'm a proud owner of a replica like most of us on this site. I have high regard for original cobra's and their owners. I'm not taking up sides in this argument but in the course of arguing against Jeffy's opinion there was some tough comments said against Cobra replica's. The point could have been made without the hit. Most of us know the situation between original and replica and embrace it. Lets get back to some constructive talk.
Lou

[Slither]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

It's a cool Cobra in its current form and I would love to have an hour with it to take some pictures.

(Trying to get the thread back on topic )

twobjshelbys,

I DID have the opportunity to photograph this outstanding car. In fact, I was lucky enough to drive the car (2 blocks) in Monterey in 2010! Plus, I transported it from Arizona to Monterey for the auctions. I babysat that car for half a week alongside the owners. I was also standing with the throng of people when the car was on the block. CSX2009 brought more attention than the featured cars. You should have seen the owners mile wide grin when he drove it in to place on the block. Photos don't do this car justice! It is a piece of history! Who ever purchases this car will definitely be the owner of a very fine Shelby Cobra. I hope we will get a chance to see it on a race course once again!

[ZOERA-SC7XX]

Originally Posted by RET_COP

I'm a proud owner of a replica like most of us on this site. I have high regard for original cobra's and their owners. I'm not taking up sides in this argument but in the course of arguing against Jeffy's opinion there was some tough comments said against Cobra replica's. The point could have been made without the hit. Most of us know the situation between original and replica and embrace it. Lets get back to some constructive talk.
Lou

That's the thing that got my goat was the trash talk against fake (replica) Cobras, as that's what this site primarily caters to. That took the steam out of anything constructive that was trying to be said, and by then it was out of control and time to choose up sides. Most of us who frequent this site spent more than ten times the money on our fakes than what original Cobras ever sold for, and they are, for the most part great cars. They are not original Cobras. Original Cobras have their own forum. What we do here is banter, tease and break balls, not attack those of us who have another opinion. If I wanted to hear about original Cobras, I wouldn't be here, I'd be over there.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by ZOERA-SC7XX

That's the thing that got my goat was the trash talk against fake (replica) Cobras, .

Keep in mind, the person who was doing the trash talking (in your humble opinion ) has owned and raced his own FPSB Contemporary Cobra on countless tracks up and down the east coast. The term FBSB is used in a context that most take as the ribbing it is meant as. Those who blew it out of proportion did so because their own nose was out of joint. I believe the old movie line "lighten up Francis" should be focused on all of us...

Bill S.
Proud owner of numerous FPSB's

[ZOERA-SC7XX]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Keep in mind, the person who was doing the trash talking (in your humble opinion ) has owned and raced his own FPSB Contemporary Cobra on countless tracks up and down the east coast. The term FBSB is used in a context that most take as the ribbing it is meant as. Those who blew it out of proportion did so because their own nose was out of joint. I believe the old movie line "lighten up Francis" should be focused on all of us...

Bill S.
Proud owner of numerous FPSB's

MM, I ain't buying your excusing the guy who ran his mouth. Maybe I haven't been here long enough to chuckle it off, but he was out he line, plain and simple. Having a real Cobra doesn't give him the right to denigrate the others, just because the other guy didn't like his car. I sense some people's unwillingness to offend a 'Real Cobra' owner for fear the 'Shelby Gods' strike them down. I strongly disagree with your (and others) take on this.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by ZOERA-SC7XX

MM, I ain't buying your excusing the guy who ran his mouth. Maybe I haven't been here long enough to chuckle it off, but he was out he line, plain and simple. Having a real Cobra doesn't give him the right to denigrate the others, just because the other guy didn't like his car. I sense some people's unwillingness to offend a 'Real Cobra' owner for fear the 'Shelby Gods' strike them down. I strongly disagree with your (and others) take on this.

I think you missed it, the person in question (#99) owned and raced a replica up until a year and a half ago. He does not own an original. His was a FPSB just like yours and mine...Again, lighten up, this "us vs them" mentality comes more from us (replica owners), than from them (original Cobra owners). I know plenty of both, and only know one or two on both sides that behave as if their $hit does not stink. Those are the minority and not the majority as we are all just car guys who enjoy what we each own, regardless of the money spent to acquire (or build) them.......

Bill S.

[ZOERA-SC7XX]

MM I didn't miss it. I've never heard a foul word from any 'Real' Cobra owner, and I've met several, all of which were gentlemen. Someone later said he was the owner and he didn't correct that statement (I'd previously mentioned he probably drove a Miata). The thread got into a spitting contest and lost it's initial dialog. I was surprised when only one of the two participants was warned to cool it. Doesn't matter he was a former racer, many of us were. He's the guy who should've been warned off.

[cobrakidz]

I saw this car in Monterey in 2010 also--beautiful car......

[RET_COP]

MM, I wouldn't even think of going to the SAAC site and saying something negative and derogatory about original cars without expecting a barrage of defensive comments. I also wouldn't do it because its not right and I am the type to promote harmony between the two groups. We're all car guys as far as I'm concerned. Might be a bit naive but that's me.

[Cobra #3170]

Originally Posted by ZOERA-SC7XX

That's the thing that got my goat was the trash talk against fake (replica) Cobras, as that's what this site primarily caters to. That took the steam out of anything constructive that was trying to be said, and by then it was out of control and time to choose up sides. Most of us who frequent this site spent more than ten times the money on our fakes than what original Cobras ever sold for, and they are, for the most part great cars. They are not original Cobras. Original Cobras have their own forum. What we do here is banter, tease and break balls, not attack those of us who have another opinion. If I wanted to hear about original Cobras, I wouldn't be here, I'd be over there.

My car sold for $9250 in 1965 which I thought was a lot of money in 1965 especially on the salary of a railroad brakeman. I could have bought a nice house for that sum but I bought my Cobra instead. I guess it would be about $65K in today's dollars about the same as a good replica but not 10x.

A very entertaining thread, I am kind of sensitive to these discussions because owners of restored original cars look down their noses at my highly modified original even though the majority of current original owners have no clue about the mechanical short comings of their cars.

I was considering selling my car this year with all the new stuff and all the original stuff too. I was told that the car was not worth much unless I put it all the way back to it's configuration at the time of sale in 1965. I decided to forget selling it at that point and continue driving it at least one more year even though I am getting pretty long in the tooth for driving a car with 3.0 to 1 pounds per HP.

[Nedsel]

Bruce, I'm not sure who would have told you your car wouldn't be worth much unless it were put back to stock. I think there are plenty of people who would like your 427 just the way it is set up. Any 44-year-old car that can smoke the entire field in the Optima Street Car Challenge has a lot to say for itself. Nicely done.

[mrmustang]

For the record, there has been a price increase from 1.1M to 1.3M for CSX2009 perthe owner/seller.


Bill S.


PS: Bruce, I'll give you $100 cash for that clapped out old aluminum race car of yours

[jeffy]

Originally Posted by ZOERA-SC7XX

He's the guy who should've been warned off.

No argument here. I was expressing an opinion that no one could substantively dispute, so I was attacked as an unworthy replica owner. Why the hell "ron" thinks I should have just "lightened" up is beyond me.

Jeff

[RodKnock]

Jeff, first I would like to state that your ERA is beautiful and one of the best ERA's on this site. I'm a big fan of your ERA.

Now back to 2009. You have said that:

1. 2009 doesn't exist any more,
2. 2009 is a fantasy recreation backed up by a piece of paper,
2. 2009 is not an original real Cobra and
3. your ERA is just as original as 2009.

So I will continue to dispute your opinion(s) on 2009 based upon the fact that 2009 is listed in the Shelby American World Registry, the Shelby marque's "source document." 2009 has a huge write-up in the Registry, its history recorded in detail by SAAC. Thus, the marque's experts recognize 2009 as a real 1960's 289 Cobra, which seems to have a value of approx. $1MM +/-.

As I said earlier, there are many old race cars of a variety of marques all over the world that have been rebuilt and continue to be real and original.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by jeffy

Why the hell "ron" thinks I should have just "lightened" up is beyond me.

Jeff

BTW, I know you know that Ron is one of the site's mods and mods have a tough job making sure sites run. Ron is also a SAAC board member, which means he highly likely knows more about the Shelby marque than nearly everyone one of us.

Personally, I would listen to him.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

BTW, I know you know that Ron is one of the site's mods and mods have a tough job making sure sites run. Ron is also a SAAC board member, which means he highly likely knows more about the Shelby marque than nearly everyone one of us.

Personally, I would listen to him.

Well said...

I'll add that "Ron" has always been the calm voice of reason within the chaos of these forums. One of the few who appears to disconnect his emotions when posting. I only wish I could do the same more often, but occasionally I cannot help myself I am getting better at it though, and I use Ron as that example.


Bill S.

[jeffy]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Jeff, first I would like to state that your ERA is beautiful and one of the best ERA's on this site. I'm a big fan of your ERA.

Now back to 2009. You have said that:

1. 2009 doesn't exist any more,
2. 2009 is a fantasy recreation backed up by a piece of paper,
2. 2009 is not an original real Cobra and
3. your ERA is just as original as 2009.

So I will continue to dispute your opinion(s) on 2009 based upon the fact that 2009 is listed in the Shelby American World Registry, the Shelby marque's "source document." 2009 has a huge write-up in the Registry, its history recorded in detail by SAAC. Thus, the marque's experts recognize 2009 as a real 1960's 289 Cobra, which seems to have a value of approx. $1MM +/-.

As I said earlier, there are many old race cars of a variety of marques all over the world that have been rebuilt and continue to be real and original.

Actually, I did not say #3 above: My "ERA is just as original as 2009".

I said my ERA is just as "real" as CSX2009, meaning they are both replicas.

Only in Shelby-world would CSX2009 as it exists today be considered an "original real Cobra".

That is great news for Erik. For his sake, I hope he cashes in before Shelby-world realizes its folly.

Jeff

[Slither]

Originally Posted by jeffy

Actually, I did not say #3 above: My "ERA is just as original as 2009".

I said my ERA is just as "real" as CSX2009, meaning they are both replicas.

Only in Shelby-world would CSX2009 as it exists today be considered an "original real Cobra".

That is great news for Erik. For his sake, I hope he cashes in before Shelby-world realizes its folly.

Jeff

jeffy, you still don't get it, do you? It's been explained to you over and over! I realize it is only your opinion but come on, take Ron's advice and experience and accept it. Geez!