Coyote 5.0L...thoughts?

[blykins]

I'm sure #1 is certainly a big plus for you guys on the other side of the planet....

[fordracing65]

Dimis, I would pick the Ls motor over the coyote anytime, even if its a chevy, the z06 is a get up and go car, not much can touch it, just my opinion. Its one of my all time favorite engines.

[RACER X #99]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

Dimis, I would pick the Ls motor over the coyote anytime, even if its a chevy, the z06 is a get up and go car, not much can touch it, just my opinion. Its one of my all time favorite engines.

I'd like to see what the LS could do with only 302 cubes.

Never mind,

The brand X boys got their asses handed to them at the Rolex 24 hrs.

Now back to the talk about antique push rod moders.

[blykins]

Originally Posted by RACER X #99

..... handed to them at the Rolex 24 hrs.

Wasn't it awesome? First 3 places! I'm sure they'll find a way to say that Ford was cheating, and then penalize them.

[B.M.B.C]

At the moment, IMHO I'm left with Coyote or LS7 (maybe Toyota)... Unless you can advise of another V8?

Volvo/Yamaha 4.4 V8 as fitted to this.......

Noble M600 track test - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube

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[bumgarner bryan]

i have the engine in my car i spent 2 years tooling body to radiator brackets all out of carbon.win it came to the engine it was four me about weight to hp cost is also a facter.i payed 7200 four it with all the bells and whistles, just a efi four a small or big block is 5 to 6 k so for another 1200 bucks i got the hole engine i do have the molds for firewall and footbox if u need them

[eschaider]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Hi Brent,

Initially I was drawn to the Coyote b/c of these following reasons:

1) It is Emissions compliant with our governing authorities.
An FE isn't... thus I asked myself what's the next best?
At the moment, IMHO I'm left with Coyote or LS7 (maybe Toyota)... Unless you can advise of another V8?

2) Powerful enough, yet bullet proof, with heaps of potential should I need the "upgrade". I understand that you can get it to (& I'm no expert on this) 5.8lts quite comfortably, which again for 99% of driving is more than enough.

3) It's light weight, modern engine package, making it a balanced & theoretically well handling car, even a nun could drive it, and I'd get plenty more miles to the gallon.
It's nice if you can afford to wipe your a$$ with $100 dollar bills when you go to the toilet or gas station, but it's also nice knowing you don't have too or need too

4) It is a Ford and thus of the correct manufacturer - my logic is if you could justify a SBF Windsor, then the Coyote is just as "pertinent" & "viable" (unless its a 289 or FIA), others may differ.

5) Has plenty of available parts & a growing aftermarket following. Further it could thus be serviced by any monkey dealership if I so chose or if I encountered a tech problem that I couldn't or didn't have the time, or skill, or tools to resolve.

6) I'd be confident it wouldn't leak, pop a rod, chew a gasket, or other, even if I left it siting in the garage over winter for 6months. & would/should start first kick despite this.

7) The engine would outlast the car, many times over.

I guess in a word it can be summarized for me as "Evolution"


Now that is simply my version, & given free reign and any choice of engine an FE for a SC 427 it would be.
EFI or Carb'ed... Now I'm still wrestling with that one.
I can justify the billet suspension in a Kirkham as a "quality improvement", why not EFI?

Kindest regards,

I think you are reading the tea leaves exactly correct Dimis! The only thing I would add is the supercharger. Ford already has a supercharged version of the engine available in Australia so parts and dealership familiarity will be a notch better than here in the US.

Take everything you said and add about double the power, maybe a little more, when you supercharge and you have a very enjoyable emissions friendly package. The performance will leave you with a huge smile no matter what gear you're in or rpm your at when you push down on the throttle.

Ed

[olddog]

I was looking at Ford's Ecoboost engines around Christmas time. The seem to be similar in head and variable valve timing to the new 5.0. I wouldn't be surprised to see an Ecoboost version of the 5.0 in a few years.

The 3.5 ltr Ecoboost has a bit more torque down low than the 5.0 and just a little less top end Hp. I believe the 2.0 ltr Ecoboost beats the NA 3.5 ltr in Hp and torque at every rpm. I think the only thing holding Ford back, is how can they justify the power levels they would get with a 5.0 ltr version of the Ecoboost.

If they ever make it, it would be one bad ass Cobra engine.

[SpecOp1]

Dimis...your assumptions are correct...I get a kick out of those that predict this engine ...I have it and it is awesome and as tunes get better the car gets more power....I could have picked any engine..I selected this one....that $6500 thing...not in a real world. As with colors, stripes, and other choices...it is what makes cars such a neat hobby....jus say'n....Bill

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by SpecOp1

Dimis...your assumptions are correct...I get a kick out of those that predict this engine ...I have it and it is awesome and as tunes get better the car gets more power....I could have picked any engine..I selected this one....that $6500 thing...not in a real world. As with colors, stripes, and other choices...it is what makes cars such a neat hobby....jus say'n....Bill

I had a 5 litre dohc for 5 years in my spf before I sold it, the coyote is so underpowered compared to a windsor or fe its not even funny, the engine is maxed out in natural form, no new tunes can extract any more power, to gain hp naturally the only way to increase is through cubes. The engine is smooth, like a modern car, like I said to each is own

[RACER X #99]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

I had a 5 litre dohc for 5 years in my spf before I sold it, the coyote is so underpowered compared to a windsor or fe its not even funny, the engine is maxed out in natural form, no new tunes can extract any more power, to gain hp naturally the only way to increase is through cubes. The engine is smooth, like a modern car, like I said to each is own

Please explain
The New 5.0 Mustangs run the 1/4 in the 12's stock
The 68 428 Cobra jets ran in the 13's stock
427 Cobras stock ran in the 12's

NO reason why the Coyote 5.0 in a cobra can't run in the 11's
Plus get over 25 MPG

Perhaps your 5.0 was never tuned properly

The biggest advantage the 5.0 has over the other engines are great breathing cylinder heads which has always been the drawback to FE's

I have owned Cobras with FE SO and big cube Windsors so don't tell me about FE's

Just in case you didn't notice the top three finishers in the Rolex 24 at Daytona were all running 5.0 Coyote based engines and they ran more miles that the 427 GT's did back in the sixties.

I would never suggest anybody not run any engine of their choice but to claim the new 5.0's are underpowered simply means you really don't know much about performance engines.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by RACER X #99

Please explain
The New 5.0 Mustangs run the 1/4 in the 12's stock
The 68 428 Cobra jets ran in the 13's stock
427 Cobras stock ran in the 12's

NO reason why the Coyote 5.0 in a cobra can't run in the 11's
Plus get over 25 MPG

Perhaps your 5.0 was never tuned properly

The biggest advantage the 5.0 has over the other engines are great breathing cylinder heads which has always been the drawback to FE's

I have owned Cobras with FE SO and big cube Windsors so don't tell me about FE's

Just in case you didn't notice the top three finishers in the Rolex 24 at Daytona were all running 5.0 Coyote based engines and they ran more miles that the 427 GT's did back in the sixties.

I would never suggest anybody not run any engine of their choice but to claim the new 5.0's are underpowered simply means you really don't know much about performance engines.

I had this engine in my spf, it won rolex also, it was the cammer, same platform, to suggest I dont know this motor is laughable, never said it wasnt a good choice, said it was underpowered compared to an fe or windsor, I did this set up 5 years ago, I knew how cool it was then and It is cool now, but underpowered in my opinion, please dont put word into my mouth, thanks.

[SpecOp1]

You know we hear about your 5 year old spf a lot ...where did you own a new Coyote 5.0....when you get or drive one call us.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by SpecOp1

You know we hear about your 5 year old spf a lot ...where did you own a new Coyote 5.0....when you get or drive one call us.

It is a cobra chat site right, and I talked about my car, imagine that, I was proud of it, do you have kids, are you proud of them, do you talk about them, most people do, are you proud of your ride, and when my Kirkham comes ill talk about it also, will it be annoying, maybe, but who cares, deal with it. thats what its for, share tid bits, talk rides, share thoughts, garanteed some of my posts have helped, just like most opinions on here helped me with my new build, Again I pioneered the 5.0 in a spf, just like you did in a backdraft, congrats. (learn about the coyote and cammer and then come talk to me.)

[madmaxx]

Well sad



QUOTE=fordracing65;1175485]It is a cobra chat site right, and I talked about my car, imagine that, I was proud of it, do you have kids, are you proud of them, do you talk about them, most people do, are you proud of your ride, and when my Kirkham comes ill talk about it also, will it be annoying, maybe, but who cares, deal with it. thats what its for, share tid bits, talk rides, share thoughts, garanteed some of my posts have helped, just like most opinions on here helped me with my new build, Again I pioneered the 5.0 in a spf, just like you did in a backdraft, congrats. (learn about the coyote and cammer and then come talk to me.)[/quote]

[RACER X #99]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

I had this engine in my spf, it won rolex also, it was the cammer, same platform, to suggest I dont know this motor is laughable, never said it wasnt a good choice, said it was underpowered compared to an fe or windsor, I did this set up 5 years ago, I knew how cool it was then and It is cool now, but underpowered in my opinion, please dont put word into my mouth, thanks.

Bare with me please, I'm a little confused by your post.

You say the 302 Coyote is underpowered yet the stock 5.0 makes 1.36 HP per CI for 412 HP
yet a stock 427 SO FE only makes 1 HP per CI for 425 HP

So if your going to compare engines side by side and not highly modified than the FE or the equally stock Windsors are way underpowered.

Or is there something wrong with my math.

I'll admit I have never been an FE fan even though I have owned a few.
And I believe the Windsor, especially in NASCAR configuration is a better engine.(Can't argue with 800+HP out of 358 CI)
But your opinion that the Coyote is underpowered just does not make sense.

[fordracing65]

For a street motor the coyote needs to rev to 4500 rpm to make its power, not good on the street, great for track, for example, a race car spends about 85% of its time at 4500 rpm to redline (coyote), a street motor spends about the same time at idle to 4500 (FE), thats where its power is made, its not neccesary thats the coyote is underpowered, its just not the best street engine, thats why first thing everyone does with these engines is to upgrade to a deeper gear, you need it or the engine falls flat untill the rpm kicks in, by the way my FE makes over 600hp and tq, superchargers on the coyote are so popular because it gives you that tq down low where you need it for street driving, track mustang is NA form, again to each is own, ive driven both in a cobra, and in my opinion, no comaprison. Im well aware for $6500 the coyote cant be beat, great power, light package, and smooth, but no comaprison to an fe or windsor in na form.

[SpecOp1]

Yeah, with your open minded opinion I am sure we would have a wonderful conversation. Probably one sided but ,I am sure enlightening. As I said I could have had any engine, cost was not an issue....so tell me more about your 5.0 spf...

[eschaider]

A twin screw blower really fixes any power issues a ModMotor (4.6 or 5.0) may have at any rpm you may be having the problems.

Smaller displacement engines need elevated engine speed to produce big power. It is simply a matter of pounds of air and pounds of fuel burnt per unit time. The blown version of the 4.6 or 5.0 with 14.7 psi of manifold pressure effectively doubles the displacement of the engine. If it is a 4.6L variant with blower it acts like a 562 inch n/a engine. If it is a 5.0L variant it acts like a 600 inch n/a engine.

The bickering is nothing more than who thinks his dog is bigger.

Dimis, the most important thing to remember is, it is your car and you are paying the tab. As is so often said, 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' and in this case, you are the beholder! Choose and build to make yourself happy and of course the local emissions nazis. At the end of the day the make yourself happy approach will yield the most smiles per mile - and after all that's what its all about ...

Ed

[lovehamr]

Originally Posted by eschaider

Dimis, the most important thing to remember is, it is your car and you are paying the tab. As is so often said, 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' and in this case, you are the beholder! Choose and build to make yourself happy and of course the local emissions nazis. At the end of the day the make yourself happy approach will yield the most smiles per mile - and after all that's what its all about ...

Ed

And don't forget to take lots of pics because the rest of us wanna see it to! BTW, I think a BDR built as a street car, no roll bar, scoop, stripes or quick jacks and under car exaust, with a Coyote would be cool as hell.

Steve