Superformance VS. ERA

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by SPF1061

Night and day are by definition polar opposites.

No, to a blind man there is no difference at all between night and day. And to that same man, there would be little difference between an SPF and ERA.

[SPF1061]

Originally Posted by patrickt

No, to a blind man there is no difference at all between night and day. And to that same man, there would be little difference between an SPF and ERA.

Have a nice day. I'm going for a ride.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by SPF1061

Have a nice day. I'm going for a ride.

Well don't go away mad. My point was that night and day, just like SPF and ERA, are perceived differences. The difference between night and day is not that the light is there, but that you are able to see it. That's why I said in my earlier post "Not everyone may care about those differences." I don't think my posts could have been any more accurate and, after you reflect on it, you'll probably agree.

[SPF1061]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Well don't go away mad. My point was that night and day, just like SPF and ERA, are perceived differences. The difference between night and day is not that the light is there, but that you are able to see it. That's why I said in my earlier post "Not everyone may care about those differences." I don't think my posts could have been any more accurate and, after you reflect on it, you'll probably agree.

Patrick,
I totally got what you were saying. I'm not mad. I'm just not interested in wasting my time.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by SPF1061

Patrick,
I totally got what you were saying. I'm not mad. I'm just not interested in wasting my time.

Here's a perfect example: I was at a show one time when someone else's ERA was next to an SPF. My friend asked me what the difference between the two was. I said "well, for instance, take a look at the radiator, do you see that?" And he said "no, it looks the same to me." I said, "ok, look in there at the pedals, see?" And he said, "you mean the ERA letters on the front?" To him, there were no differences whatsoever.

[SPF1061]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Here's a perfect example: I was at a show one time when someone else's ERA was next to an SPF. My friend asked me what the difference between the two was. I said "well, for instance, take a look at the radiator, do you see that?" And he said "no, it looks the same to me." I said, "ok, look in there at the pedals, see?" And he said, "you mean the ERA letters on the front?" To him, there were no differences whatsoever.

Patrick,
I agree with what you are saying perhaps more than I have ever agreed with anything I have ever heard you say before. Like I said, "I get it." All I am saying is, that, in my opinion, the situation you describe above, and any differences one might find between an ERA and an SPF, is more accurately described as "definite" or even "obvious" differences. I maintain that "night and day" BY DEFINITION are polar opposites, and hence do not accurately reflect the differences between SPF and ERA. Especially to someone who is asking about the differences between the two because he is considering buying one or the other. Really, I am not even interested in asserting that I am right in this discussion. Only that I disagree with your choice of words.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by SPF1061

Patrick, I totally got what you were saying. I'm not mad. I'm just not interested in wasting my time.

SPF1061, you're wasting your time. Unfortunately, you're both right. And arguing with Patrick will lead you nowhere. He does it for sport.

I love that black ERA BTW. Wow, but for the 428 (that's supposed to be a knock on Patrick's car ).

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

SPF1061, you're wasting your time. Unfortunately, you're both right. And arguing with Patrick will lead you nowhere. He does it for sport.

I love that black ERA BTW. Wow, but for the 428 (that's supposed to be a knock on Patrick's car ).

He needs to find a sport he is good at.

[gary osborne]

I bought my SPF in 1999 and put nearly 145,000 miles on it. It is the only Cobra I have ever owned and if I bought another, it would be another SPF. Am I biased? You bet but that bias is based on the fact that I have a LOT of miles in the seat and have driven most of the other brands in the 21 years of ownership of my car.

The ERA is a fabulous car and I could never tell anyone not to buy one. But as others have pointed out, there is always a risk when buying a kit in as much as one might be built as a piece of art and another......well....maybe not so much. With a SPF you are getting a factory built car that is a work of art and will always be consistent in terms of fit and finish. From the first cars to the most recent, there have been upgrades but the quality has been consistent or slightly better. Of course, things should get better over time and number of vehicles built and SPF is by far the best factory built car out there......OK.....maybe the term “by far” might not fit in the ERA comparison.

One thing you must ask yourself is how do you plan to use the car. If it is for show primarily with the extra fun of some Sunday drives, then ERA might be your best bet. It does replicate the original better than SPF and that will buy you some favor with knowledgeable judges at a top notch car show.If the voting is done by the audience, then don’t expect accuracy to buy you anything.....it might even hurt you a little. I have seen Cobras that were so customized that they barely resembled a real Cobra win shows because the novices thought they were really cool.

If you are looking for a car that you will drive a lot, see the country in, thrash on the track, has incredible support from the manufacturer with parts readily available and you want the best resale value, then SPF will be impossible to beat. The SPF is the best riding and driving car out there....especially if you do a few easy upgrades that are available through Cobra Valley and the Superformance Owners support group.

BTW, one of the reasons I still own my car after all these years is the owners support group (SCOF). SCOF is the private owners forum for SPF owners. It has an incredible Tech Library and the best Cobra mechanics, engineers, designers etc. in the country. Hell, the factory even comes to SCOF for direction on some matters. To call some of these guys experts would almost be an insult. My best friends on the planet are mostly SCOF members....all of whom I met through SCOF after buying my car. SCOF keeps us bound together, offers at least three major cruises around the country each year as well as other social opportunities not forgetting the very active forum. That is why you see such high mileage on some of the SPF’s. It is nothing for a SCOf member to jump in their car in FL or NC Or CA and drive to CO or Utah or Wyoming or Montana or South Dakota to run the mountains for about a week before heading back home. We will often rack up more miles in a week or ten days than most will drive in a year (couple of thousand miles). In 2018 and 2019, the group drove through most of Canada fro BC to Nova Scotia. You just don’t see other manufactured cars being used like that very often.

My car has a 521 ci engine built on a 460 block by BB Ford legendary builder Jon Kaase. It pumps out over 700 HP and 697 lbs of torque and that is after I had Jon defund it a little from the over 800 HP he originally built into it (a mistake in hindsight). The SPF loves any big block you want to install although the European and South Africans dealers operating in the USA seem to like the 427 Windsor’s so you see a LOT of those. The sb is not a bad choice by the way. They scream in these very light cars.

Again, if you want a high quality Cobra, I doubt you will be disappointed in either of the two you mentioned. The Shelby and the Kirkham are good cars too. All four will hold their resale value well although I think the Shelby and SPF hold values the best assuming an owner doesn’t do something crazy with them. I know I can sell my pretty old and high mileage car for more than I have in it so the car has been free so far for me. BTW....my car looks almost new except for the road rash in the front and that also says a lot for the quality of the build and paint. My seats did start to show their age but I replaced them last year so the car really looks pretty fresh.

Good luck on whatever you choose to do. And if you look at used cars and find a good one, don’t be afraid to pull the trigger on either one. You’ll be happy you did.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by gary osborne

I bought my SPF in 1999 and put nearly 145,000 miles on it. It is the only Cobra I have ever owned...

Any cobra and owner combo that has lasted 20 years, 145,000 miles, and that is still going strong is doing something right.

[mdross1]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Well don't go away mad. My point was that night and day, just like SPF and ERA, are perceived differences. The difference between night and day is not that the light is there, but that you are able to see it. That's why I said in my earlier post "Not everyone may care about those differences." I don't think my posts could have been any more accurate and, after you reflect on it, you'll probably agree.

Brings a little chuckle except for the purist and those with a little bias 99.9% of the people looking at these cars certainly will never know the differences.I for one would love to see an example of all the Replicars and one original sitting side by side and see just how far off some of them might be.No need for body line gauges or tape measures again that 99.9% of people will never see those miniscule differences unless two polar opposite cars are sitting side by side.Then I highly doubt they will care.My personal Replicar takes care of all my desires to own one of these fantastic muscle machines,I know it from top to bottom and inside out.Built the car,the motor,and rearend,modified for road racing and could not be happier or more content.

[D-CEL]

That is a very nice car...Even with the FE in it...


D-cel

[elmariachi]

Originally Posted by D-CEL

That is a very nice car...Even with the FE in it...D-cel

Still suffering from that quick jack blow to the head I see.

Jim

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by D-CEL

That is a very nice car...Even with the FE in it...


D-cel

Jason, you should be excited to see that the seller installed a Lakewood bellhousing.

That car is $10,000 too cheap.

[D-CEL]

Jim,

No worries I'm fine now....... FE's still suck... LOL

Rk,

You know I hadn’t noticed that. (Typically, when I see a replica Cobra with an FE I don’t give it a second look).
And while the builder was clearly not as interested in performance as he was in the historical accuracy of his replica, he should be commended for his selection of a part that actually provides the minimum level of safety. Many people are led astray by shameful and deceptive marketing and advertising “hype” when they make purchases. Blissfully unaware of the danger posed by LESSER bellhousings that lack the SFI required fastener configuration…
Thanks for making me aware.


Jason

[Mark IV]

Aside from Patricks usual "comments", you will do well with either. For once he can actually add something to the discussion as he IS an ERA owner.

The ERA is a high quaility product when it leaves the factory and if assembled properly, makes a great car. You will not go wrong with one that is well built (and I sell Superformance). That said, the SPF is a consistant quality product and you will know what you are getting.

Both have good resale values and are sought after on the resale market.

Find what you like and drive the wheels off it.....................................

[kevins2]

There is a section on ERA's website that answers the question about the rectangular frame. Essentially, while a deviation from original, it is stronger and will handle the hp that some folks put in these cars. Worth a read if that is important to you.

Regards,

Kevin

[SPF1061]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Aside from Patricks usual "comments", you will do well with either. For once he can actually add something to the discussion as he IS an ERA owner.

The ERA is a high quaility product when it leaves the factory and if assembled properly, makes a great car. You will not go wrong with one that is well built (and I sell Superformance). That said, the SPF is a consistant quality product and you will know what you are getting.

Both have good resale values and are sought after on the resale market.

Find what you like and drive the wheels off it.....................................

When I bought my Superformance, I questioned where the Superformance fell in the ranks of replicas. It was suggested to me by the dealer that if I wanted to consider another brand I would do well to look at ERA and Kirkham.

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Aside from Patricks usual "comments", you will do well with either. For once he can actually add something to the discussion as he IS an ERA owner.

And don't hold Patrick being an ERA owner against the car. It's a fine car, and the majority of owners are not like Patrick.

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by Silverback51

And don't hold Patrick being an ERA owner against the car. It's a fine car

A point to which I agreed, the ERA IS a fine car. I have known several and have been impressed although they were cars built by ERA, not an owner or assembler.