FFR roadster and GTM accident at Carlisle

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by jojoegen

Hey CW,evidently you where not there.The marks where as black as can be.The 33 roadster was facing the GTM.The GTM was pushed back from the position it was in when the band was playing.So,all this BS about angles is bunk.The marks clearly show that when the roadster peeled out it was not in a straight line.The floor is smooth concrete .Look at the FFR pics and see that the 33 was facing the GTM.They pushed it out for the band then back after it was done.It was almost at a 90degree angle to each other.Think what you want.I only started this thread for an answer to a question.I didn't know that no-one knew.To answer your question CW,it came from onlookers when they saw me going to my car where the GTM stopped in front of.This thread , there are too many know it alls ,investigators,"I SAW nuttin" people out there.At least I saw the tire marks and that's that.The truth will come out from FFR by the time I'm done.I'm no lier.Parden the spelling.

I'm going to edit as I just spoke with another person who does confirm a minor mishap between a "33" and a GTM. The 33 already having been repaired to as good as new, the GTM will be within a day or so. Scratches and scrapes, but no major damage to either vehicle and both were driven (sorry, not pushed) to their respective transports.


Bill S.

[PSB]

Originally Posted by jojoegen

Pete.please get it straight.and see the pictures of the FFR cars and when the band was playing.The opposit side of the booth?Look again.

I didn't describe the positioning of the cars from looking at a picture, I described it by direct observation by ME when I was THERE.

Pete

[Bill D]

Yes, a minor incident did happen in the booth near the end of the show. As Bill S. said, it was minor and no injuries resulted.

[PSB]

OK, I stand corrected - the original post was only 90% BS, not total BS.

Pete

[cwrandolph]

Originally Posted by jojoegen

Hey CW,evidently you where not there.The marks where as black as can be.The 33 roadster was facing the GTM.The GTM was pushed back from the position it was in when the band was playing.So,all this BS about angles is bunk.The marks clearly show that when the roadster peeled out it was not in a straight line.The floor is smooth concrete .Look at the FFR pics and see that the 33 was facing the GTM.They pushed it out for the band then back after it was done.It was almost at a 90degree angle to each other.Think what you want.I only started this thread for an answer to a question.I didn't know that no-one knew.To answer your question CW,it came from onlookers when they saw me going to my car where the GTM stopped in front of.This thread , there are too many know it alls ,investigators,"I SAW nuttin" people out there.At least I saw the tire marks and that's that.The truth will come out from FFR by the time I'm done.I'm no lier.Parden the spelling.

I didn't even come close to calling you a liar. Just asked how this got started. Maybe you need to switch to decaf.

[tirod]

It's a known fact in the police sciences you can get entirely different stories of what occurred in an incident by eyewitnesses at the scene. It has to be assembled into a timeline to reproduce the actual event.

What cannot be done is accept stories second hand. It's also a known fact in investigations that the first report is always wrong. Why? It's just one perspective of the event filtered by their view and influenced by their life experience. One person's "black marks" on polished concrete may be another's "scuff marks." If there aren't puddles of melted rubber oozing from the tread voids and pooling together, a third party may dismiss them entirely.

What the OP thinks he knows, vs what happened, it becoming increasingly clear, and maintaining strident insistence in side issues only underlines a growing sense of a lack of credibility. The OP is not making himself look any better by nitpicking nuances.

Did something happen, yes. But, point for point in the first post, is each and every action actually borne up by those who saw it? The overall result is that it's beginning to look a lot different.

It's the internet, lots of us had either done it or seen the results, maybe it's time to step back and not get painted into a corner. There likely are more pics and eyewitness perspectives to this minor mishap, the overall weight of what everyone else reports is going to be the final answer, not one view.

As for the need for a safety switch or interlock - anyone who operates the machinery is the responsible party. People make assumptions and mistakes, don't touch one of these things in a manner where it can bite you. Treat it like it will just drive off, and you won't be wrong.

[BobTheBuilder]

Originally Posted by jojoegen

MRMUSTANG.Unless I am the the receiver of an enormous JOKE?Would they go as far as people telling me what happened and marked up the floor with black burned rubber.Could they go that far?I certainly don't have any agenda>I posted this on FFR also as .Do you really think they want to let something out like thisI don't think so.

I see...you don't have an agenda...but everybody else does?

This whole thing sounds like much ado about nothing.

[Buzz]

The guy posts a legitimate question about a relevant general interest incident at Carlisle THAT DID HAPPEN - albeit with a few slightly inaccurate details related to him by others - and he gets called out by the brigade as being liar with an agenda (to destroy FFR?).

Now he's vindicated and folks are editing posts to confirm the story and show that they're suddenly "in the know" but neglecting to apologize for insulting an innocent man in the first place . Some even continue on the attack.

I've never been one to knock FFR, but whenever someone posts the slightest question even loosely involving the brand, people immediately get on the defensive high horse and launch a counter attack. Not hard to see how the "brownshirt" moniker originated and continues to apply.

[PSB]

Originally Posted by Buzz

I've never been one to knock FFR, but whenever someone posts the slightest question even loosely involving the brand, people immediately get on the defensive high horse and launch a counter attack. Not hard to see how the "brownshirt" moniker originated and continues to apply.

People questioning the story included two ERA owners and a Hunter owner. Yeah, we we jumping in just to protect our precious FFR brand!

[Buzz]

Wasn't referring to you in particular as a defender of FFR, but either way, you defending your incorrect position by saying the original version of the incident was 90% BS is 100% BS!

[PSB]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Wasn't referring to you in particular as a defender of FFR, but either way, you defending your incorrect position by saying the original version of the incident was 90% BS is 100% BS!

Original poster's story that "an FFR smashed into their yellow GTM and totaled it almost hitting another display car of another manufacturer across the way in the building and someone standing behind the GTM" was mostly BS.

Huge difference between "smashing and totaling" and the minor damage that the actual incident actually was. What was the reason for the exaggeration and sensationalizing?

[Buzz]

Maybe just the way he heard it? Why does he have to have an agenda - and why are you suddenly so quick to accept someone else's word that the late-release version details are absolute fact?

[computerworks]

OK Folks..let's lighten up here.

Get some pictures or just move on about it.

...no need for a second accident here.

Ron
ClubCobra Moderator

[PSB]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Maybe just the way he heard it? Why does he have to have an agenda - and why are you suddenly so quick to accept someone else's word that the late-release version details are absolute fact?

Because the late-release version is plausible, where the original version wasn't.

Why does it appear there is some agenda? Well, for one when someone posts an exaggerated story told to him, then changes his story to say he was there - kinda smells like BS. The guy wasn't there when it happened, but he was there afterward to see the skid marks? By 3PM on Sunday, the place is EMPTY. The only reason someone would be hanging around AFTER FFR packed up on Sun PM is if that person had been manning the display for another company and was still packing up themselves. In that case, if they happened to go for a potty break, they wouldn't have been gone long enough to miss the clean-up effort of two totalled cars.

[Buzz]

Ron - authentic spy photo coming soon!

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Ron - authentic spy photo coming soon!

I had no doubt.

[patrickt]

I was there. I saw the whole thing. Here's the car after we pushed it out in to the parking lot.

[MikeCo]

wow! This forum is generally more rational than most. Maybe the OP overstated, but why the raw nerves? The facts are starting to reveal themselves, although "patrickt" above is baiting this thread IMHO

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by MikeCo

The facts are starting to reveal themselves, although "patrickt" above is baiting this thread IMHO

Ignore the other wrecked cars in the parking lot. Happy hour started shortly after breakfast.

[Buzz]

Waiting on a pic of the incident right as it occurred - stay tuned.