FFR roadster and GTM accident at Carlisle

[jojoegen]

Does anyone know why the roadster started in gear and plowed into it's own GTM on Display at the Carlisle Import and kit car show on Sunday?From what I heard from people there,someone from FFR started the roadster,while in gear,peeled rubber and smashed into their yellow GTM and totaled it almost hitting another display car of another manufacturer across the way in the building and someone standing behind the GTM.Man,he must have moved real quick.Could it have been that their was no safety switch? Any ideas?Thank God noone was hurt.

[Roger Bray]

There might be some information on the Factory Five users group

[jojoegen]

gign't see anything.I don't think they want to advertise it anyway

[Dan59]

Another example of why a neutral safety switch is a good idea. The person driving likely has lots of experience, but was tired, or terribly distracted. Anyone snap a photo?

[Mikey_P]

So three cars were wrecked with a GTM totaled and somebody was injured? I don't see anything about on any car sites except what you posted. Any more details?

[PSB]

We (Ohio Cobra Club - our raffle car was in the same building) had someone there until 3pm and didn't hear anything about such an incidence. The story doesn't add up either since the roadster was pointing out from the wall and was at the opposite end of the booth from the GTM. I call BS.

Pete

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by PSB

We (Ohio Cobra Club - our raffle car was in the same building) had someone there until 3pm and didn't hear anything about such an incidence. The story doesn't add up either since the roadster was pointing out from the wall and was at the opposite end of the booth from the GTM. I call BS.

Pete

The same poster made a similar post on ffcars today, it got shut down as it spiraled downward I too have not heard a word, and believe me, I would have, so for now, I too believe it is disinformation by someone with a hidden agenda.

Bill S.

[kevins2]

I was there on Sunday with my son, who took a photo of FFR's yellow GTM. We then grabbed a burger, looked at a couple of Cobra replicas outside and came back (ERA was in the in the same building and was our focus). We were gone no more than 45 minutes. FFR had cleared out during that time and was in the process of loading cars. If something did happen, they sure cleared it up quickly...also, as the previous post indicated, the cars were backed up to the wall at a 30 degree angle or so and all pointed in the same direction. There were cars across the aisle, but I don't think those were FFR cars. It would be more likely that one of those hit the GTM, but then the story still doesn't make sense since it said an FFR employee started a Roadster. Lastly, we were hanging around with the ERA guys and a couple of customers while they loaded for home and nobody said anything.

I obviousy can't say this didn't happen, but it sure sounds a bit sketchy.

Regards,

Kevin

[Murky781]

My car was in the building and I was loading it in my trailer at the same time FF was taking down their display. I saw or heard nothing and they were loading their cars without any panic or shouting. I too am calling BS on this. It was a good show.

[cwrandolph]

How about it Jojoegen - where did this story originate?

[tirod]

From what I heard from people there,

- which means this report is second hand and the OP isn't an eyewitness.

As for the need for a safety switch - it would seem somebody would know to be in the vehicle to control it. What can be taken from this is that so many cars do have interlocks that one could all too casually start up a car from a position of no control at all.

That failure to be in control by assuming the vehicle would remain stationary is the fault of that operator. It's dangerous to falsely assume a switch or interlock will prevent a problem, and depending on one is even worse.

Would anyone recommend handling a firearm in the same manner? No. It would be doing the wrong thing at the wrong time, and a negligent discharge doesn't excuse the handler because "they thought the safety was on."

I learned how to start a car safely precisely because there were no switches or interlocks on them. And the firearms I handled were treated as if you could never trust the safety in any way.

So far, so good.

[stoker]

Originally Posted by jojoegen

Does anyone know why the roadster started in gear and plowed into it's own GTM on Display at the Carlisle Import and kit car show on Sunday?From what I heard from people there,someone from FFR started the roadster,while in gear,peeled rubber and smashed into their yellow GTM and totaled it almost hitting another display car of another manufacturer across the way in the building and someone standing behind the GTM.Man,he must have moved real quick.Could it have been that their was no safety switch? Any ideas?Thank God noone was hurt.

The shell valley uses a solid rear axle and pinto front suspension.

[jojoegen]

Hey CW,evidently you where not there.The marks where as black as can be.The 33 roadster was facing the GTM.The GTM was pushed back from the position it was in when the band was playing.So,all this BS about angles is bunk.The marks clearly show that when the roadster peeled out it was not in a straight line.The floor is smooth concrete .Look at the FFR pics and see that the 33 was facing the GTM.They pushed it out for the band then back after it was done.It was almost at a 90degree angle to each other.Think what you want.I only started this thread for an answer to a question.I didn't know that no-one knew.To answer your question CW,it came from onlookers when they saw me going to my car where the GTM stopped in front of.This thread , there are too many know it alls ,investigators,"I SAW nuttin" people out there.At least I saw the tire marks and that's that.The truth will come out from FFR by the time I'm done.I'm no lier.Parden the spelling.

[jojoegen]

Stroker..Shell Valley does not ,I repeat<NOT use a pinto front end.They make their own front end .

[jojoegen]

Originally Posted by PSB

We (Ohio Cobra Club - our raffle car was in the same building) had someone there until 3pm and didn't hear anything about such an incidence. The story doesn't add up either since the roadster was pointing out from the wall and was at the opposite end of the booth from the GTM. I call BS.

Pete

Pete.please get it straight.and see the pictures of the FFR cars and when the band was playing.The opposit side of the booth?Look again.

[cobradvm]

Originally Posted by jojoegen

Stroker.Goes to show you that your info is realllly flawed.Shell Valley does not ,I repeat<NOT use a pinto front end.They make their own front end and mustang.Get it straight first.

From the Shell Valley website...

For the front suspension you have your choice of either the standard Pinto/Mustang II stamped A-arms, or our new tube type A-arm for a much cleaner look. This new suspension still accepts the Pinto/Mustang II spindle/strut rod and rack and pinion steering gear.

[frankeeski]

There's a saying here, "no pictures, didn't happen". In this day of cell phone cameras, tablet computers and the like, I can't believe there isn't a picture of this somewhere. Or at least pictures of the infamous skid marks.

[stoker]

Originally Posted by jojoegen

Stroker.Goes to show you that your info is realllly flawed.Shell Valley does not ,I repeat<NOT use a pinto front end.They make their own front end and mustang.Get it straight first.

I stand corrected.

The Pinto I had in high school was a very nice car and I don't appreciate you saying it had bad suspension geometry.

[Maricopa]

Pics from the event.
2012 Carlisle Imports & Replicas Show Report | | Factory Five RacingFactory Five Racing

[jojoegen]

MRMUSTANG.Unless I am the the receiver of an enormous JOKE?Would they go as far as people telling me what happened and marked up the floor with black burned rubber.Could they go that far?I certainly don't have any agenda>I posted this on FFR also as .Do you really think they want to let something out like thisI don't think so.