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06-29-2012, 04:05 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 454 S.O.
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An Original One From The 60's?
I never thought I would start one of these threads. My friend says there is an original Cobra that shows up to the local car shows in the Barrington area of Illinois. I told him yea, right.
He has a $hitty cell phone, I will try to get more pics or go see the car myself.
The story goes that a gentlemen named Carl Schiffmayer bought the car brand new. He passed away a couple of years ago, but his wife still takes it to the shows with somebody else as the driver,
Guys this maybe believable. Here is one pic. I know, it’s not the best. My friend says the car looks 50 years old, and thought the CSX number was in the 3,000 series. Comments?
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06-29-2012, 04:47 AM
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It's a good start but I think you'll need more to determine authenticity. Looks like a CSX
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06-29-2012, 05:06 AM
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Here was a sign on a Cobra at the local show:
"Please do not touch! This car is aluminum and will bend!. This is a REAL 1965 Shelby CSX4165 (I think that was the number)"
Even the people that own them don't know what is "real" anymore...LOL
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06-29-2012, 05:11 AM
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Location: Northport,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
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Schiffmayer's car, purchased new, was CSX3209
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06-29-2012, 07:11 AM
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Note what looks like the windshield sprayer in its correct location. Hmmm...
Larry
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06-29-2012, 09:21 AM
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Location: Midlothian,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Hurricane 427 Cobra #HM2008, Craft Performance 427w 600hp/600tq, TKO-600 close ratio, original Smiths gauges, lucas switches
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06-29-2012, 09:28 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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In the photos of this 3209's engine, where are the orange valve cover vent lines running to?
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06-29-2012, 10:52 AM
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Probably bungs on the headers but that's not wise.
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06-29-2012, 12:27 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA Street Roadster #782 with 459 cu in FE KC engine, toploader, 3.31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt
In the photos of this 3209's engine, where are the orange valve cover vent lines running to?
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Road draft tube like old small block chevys? |
06-29-2012, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas
Probably bungs on the headers but that's not wise.
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Really? 
I'm confused. Are we talking about 4165, 3209 or both? |
06-29-2012, 12:54 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Sold - Shelby Cobra CSX6045, 468 ci all aluminum Shelby engine
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock
Really?
I'm confused. Are we talking about 4165, 3209 or both? |
4165? Where did that come from?
Oh, I just saw the reference to 4165 in the earlier post.
Last edited by Al G; 06-29-2012 at 12:59 PM..
Reason: Missed reference in earlier post
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07-01-2012, 08:16 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Backdraft 874 solid red Roush 427 small block 515 hp
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I thought it looked like a road draft tube, too. I think that was the precursor to PCV valves for you youngsters.
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07-01-2012, 08:22 PM
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Road draft tubes ran out of a boss at the rear of the intake and to the ground next to the bellhousing.
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07-02-2012, 10:25 AM
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Yes, the did, especially on FE engines. I got one off an earlier FE engine to put on my 427 W code GT-E when I was in high school.
These orange hoses may be a temporary solution to bypass using a PCV without the correct parts for rear of FE intake. The opening back there looked like it was a at least a couple of inches and had a removable cover on 1968 and never model manifolds.
Maybe the dress up kit for engine did not include it.
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07-02-2012, 11:34 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA Street Roadster #782 with 459 cu in FE KC engine, toploader, 3.31
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas
Road draft tubes ran out of a boss at the rear of the intake and to the ground next to the bellhousing.
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I didn't mean a proper one - looks like a Bubba road draft tube. Valve cover probably isn't baffled and it pumps oil out of that thing in addition to fumes. |
07-02-2012, 11:36 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DanEC
I didn't mean a proper one - looks like a Bubba road draft tube. Valve cover probably isn't baffled and it pumps oil out of that thing in addition to fumes. |
Yes, if you pour oil out under your car your burn-outs look cooler.  |
07-02-2012, 12:15 PM
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The photo in the original post doesn't look like it has the orange hoses.
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07-02-2012, 12:21 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al G
The photo in the original post doesn't look like it has the orange hoses.
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Al, I linked that photo from bwcobra15's post (#6 in this thread) of the Mecum auction. Here: 1966 Shelby Cobra 427 Roadster One-Owner, CSX3209 for sale by Mecum Auction |
07-02-2012, 12:23 PM
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Probably goes to check valve and whisle tube into header collector to suck vacume in crankcase----done a lot on some race/hiper cars
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07-03-2012, 03:47 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shell Valley Cobra Kit -428 Fe Built by Clayton Racing Engines
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If I remember , Carl had three Cobras and raced them at Road America , Two 427 cars and one 289 car and a boat load of spare parts engines, trans ect. He showed the cars at Barrington once or twice a year . He was a wealth of knowledge about Cobras but he was not fond of replicas .
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