SOHC "Cammer" CSX 4786 No Reserve in Monterey

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I love a Cammer, but I'd rather have an aftermarket all aluminum Cammer than an original cast iron version. I love black Cobra's, but polished aluminum is the best for me. I love a CSX4000, but I prefer the Kirkham's advancements.

And his car lacks what my cars lacks in terms of the 4 round parts that rubber mounts on and touches the ground and are made of a metal other than aluminum. And whose name will remain unspoken.

I'm happy with what I have, but your hypothetical makes me think.

And then you state how you love this Cammer, but would rather have an all aluminum cammer than an original cast iron version, and you love black Cobra's but polished aluminum is best for you, and that you love CSX4000 cars, but you prefer Kirkham's advancements, sounds like you have a big bone to pick with this car, 3 big negative commits in one paragraph, HYPOCRITE.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

And then you state how you love this Cammer, but would rather have an all aluminum cammer than an original cast iron version, and you love black Cobra's but polished aluminum is best for you, and that you love CSX4000 cars, but you prefer Kirkham's advancements, sounds like you have a big bone to pick with this car, 3 big negative commits in one paragraph, HYPOCRITE.

Yep, RodKnock's a rat. I've said that for years. I say we take him out back and discipline him. Chas, too, while we're at it.

[maurice19]

Bill has such a beauty, Can`t we all just get along(:

Maurice

[rodneym]

Man. Rodknock posts about this awesome Cobra...........

In the words of, yet another Rodney...."Can we all just...get along?"

And if a fight breaks out, I want to be on Chas' side. He's got my back.

Rodknock? Never trust a Rodney in a Kirkham who's bent on magnesium wheels. He might whack you over the head with a heavy Trigo.

Patrickt? The 't' stands for trouble.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by rodneym

Never trust a Rodney in a Kirkham who's bent on magnesium wheels. He might whack you over the head with a heavy Trigo.

BTW, I sent an email to "you know who" just now.

One of the reasons I chose bare aluminum is that I likely could never make up my mind on a color, but black would certainly be at the top of the list. Bill's car looks amazing and I might even consider going down to Monterey to monitor the bidding.

A SOHC is a SOHC and I know Bill's car is as reliable and meticulously built as they come.

[computerworks]

...cut the crap, boys.

Stay on message and leave each other alone.

Thanks
ron
ClubCobra Moderator

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

BTW, I sent an email to "you know who" just now.

If you get an answer, let me know:
A. if you get an answer.
B. if they're now breaking the $10K barrier...

[rodneym]

Chas, your last post..... it got me thinking.....is it that time again?!

Rod, I too got a, "call me back, tomorrow, tomorrow, tomo...to...t.."

It's done.


Now back to this beautiful SOHC CSX (which would be a star at any local show).

Any predictions on when the gavel strikes?

[mhacars]

I remember when Bill was putting this car together and I contacted him as I have a 427 SOHC motor as well. I contacted him as both of us had purchased some parts or had some dealings with the unscrupulous Butch Engelbrecht of San Diego. In any event, he went through quite an ordeal getting this car completed and it is unfortunate that he is selling it. It is an extremely well built car and whomever buys it is getting something of very high quality.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by rodneym

Any predictions on when the gavel strikes?

From what I understand, this car has been advertised at $140K with no deals.

However, the combination of the Cobra's 50th Anniversary, the death of Mr. Shelby and the general exuberance exhibited at a Monterey auction may get it to that number.

You would think that this should set the bar for all fiberglass CSX4000's in this market.

[kanuck]

One factor that may have swayed customers away is the fact that they engine has a very high compression ratio, 13 to 1 in that area and will only run on race fuel, I know some will say if you can afford 150 grand you can afford race fuel, what happens if you actually want to go further than your home town, I know it would sway me.

[mhacars]

The fuel comment makes a lot of sense. One of my cars only runs on race gas and that necessity makes sense. Then again my car that requires this fuel only has an 18 gallon tank. If this Cobra has a 42 gallon fuel cell you can go a little farther if you are not driving it all that hard. I guess it all boils down to what you want to do with the car....distance or cruising around town. When this vehicle sells it will probably set the high water mark for fibreglass CSX cars given the powerplant and build quality.

[RodKnock]

Works for me since there's a gas station nearby that sells 100, 110 and 112 Sunoco.

[ERA Chas]

Kanuck and MHA provide some interesting new info about the car's build and engine.
I for one, thought all iron Cammer heads were no more than 12:1-sure that would beg race gas of some type. But I don't remember in Bill's Gasholes thread what he ultimately built it to. I do remember that he had to tear down and rebuild virtually everything after buying it fully assembled. He and his build buddy (forget the name) found a host of machining and poor part issues.
MHA-could you not take some timing out, say 2 to 4 degrees to get it to run on 100 octane? I wish I knew the chamber size and piston dome that caused 13:1. The fuel Cammer engines ran no where near that compression. Maybe a few of the 'Cup-destined engines did??
Can one of you contact Malone? If you tell him we're trying to help him sell it, I hope he'd chime in and give us more details on this excellent project.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

Kanuck and MHA provide some interesting new info about the car's build and engine.
I for one, thought all iron Cammer heads were no more than 12:1-sure that would beg race gas of some type. But I don't remember in Bill's Gasholes thread what he ultimately built it to. I do remember that he had to tear down and rebuild virtually everything after buying it fully assembled. He and his build buddy (forget the name) found a host of machining and poor part issues.
MHA-could you not take some timing out, say 2 to 4 degrees to get it to run on 100 octane? I wish I knew the chamber size and piston dome that caused 13:1. The fuel Cammer engines ran no where near that compression. Maybe a few of the 'Cup-destined engines did??
Can one of you contact Malone? If you tell him we're trying to help him sell it, I hope he'd chime in and give us more details on this excellent project.

93-page build thread, but somewhere buried in there the CR is 11:1.

[mhacars]

My cammer is 11:1 and it runs on pump gas. I can tell you that the chamber size is 125cc. As for the pistons that depends on the manufacturer and specification. The reace gas gives you the extra power and in most cases you don't really need it. Perhaps Bill is using a thinner head gasket. In terms of timing the cams, that is a tricky thing to play around with. Jim Barillaro is the engine builder who machined and put mine together. He has been building these engines since 1969 and is very respected. He would be the one to ask about altering the timing of the cams. I am no expert in this realm. Butch Engelbrecht was the guy who helped Bill Malone with the initial machining problems. Bill ended up working out those kinks and others with some great people after he stopped working with Engelbrecht.

[kanuck]

I am sure I read it was more than that when they ad was on cobra country, it really caught my attention, regardless it was by no means a slam.

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

93-page build thread, but somewhere buried in there the CR is 11:1.

AHAAAA! Bless you pal-drove me nuts. May the Gods of Mg sprinkle some flakes in your (immaculate) garage. I knew Bill wouldn't build a gas burden like that into the car after all the other smart stuff he did. Much like Rodneym, Bill had a vision and plan and took it to completion.
MHA-thanks for the clarification and specs. I'm amazed they're 125cc chambers-my MR heads had 2.250" valves also but the chamber was tiny by comparison-78cc and 10.33:1 with a flat piston.
I should clarify, I meant ignition timing, not the cams. Putting the cams in + or - 4 degrees would not alter the octane requirement-just move the powerband up or down.
Kanuck-no harm, there's lots of mystery numbers floating around FE land.
Anyone seen hyde or hair of Malone??

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

Anyone seen hyde or hair of Malone??

I told Bill about this thread

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by computerworks

I told Bill about this thread

Thanks Ron.