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Old 09-06-2012, 08:50 PM
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Using K&S leaded 110 racing fuel or Toluene is not the same as a can of additive. I would expect your high compression Cobra to run better on the racing fuel. I wouldn't run pure Toluene in my $10-$20k engine. Pure Toluene does not have the proper light components for easy starting and smooth acceleration. I expect a little Toluene would be fine, but not 100%. Funny thing is when they blend racing fuel it is blended to suit a specific engine size and type. Most racing fuels today have alcohols. Pure Ethanol is like 120 octane and NASCAR fuel is 15% ethanol. E85 is about 100 octane. But this is really a different topic.
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:58 AM
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I have a chart somewhere that shows the mixing rates of different octanes......naturally,I can't find it right now.......
I never ran pure toluene and wouldn't recommend it,I used it to increase the octane of pump gas and if my memory is correct, one gallon to 5 gallons of 93 octane pump gas would give an octane rating of around 96.5.........

BTW: toluene is what the oil refineries use to adjust the octane of a batch of gas when it is made/tested.......

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found the chart,here it is.......
this is for mixing one gallon of fuel on the left side of the chart with pump gas.......


Octane Mixing

Octane Mixing Ratios
Gallons of 92 octane fuel to which 1 gallon of race fuel has been added
Octane of race fuel 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 15 20 25
116 104 100 98 96 96 95.4 95 94.7 94.4 94.2 93.5 93.1 92.9
112 102 98.7 97 96 95.3 94.9 94.5 94.2 94 93.8 93.3 93 92.8
110 101 98 96.5 95.6 95 94.6 94.3 94 93.8 93.6 93.1 92.9 92.7
108 100 97.3 96 95.2 94.7 94.3 94 93.8 93.6 93.5 93 92.8 92.6
106 99 96.7 95.5 94.8 94.3 94 93.8 93.6 93.4 93.3 92.9 92.7 92.5
104 98 96 95 94.4 94 93.7 93.5 93.3 93.2 93.1 92.8 92.6 92.5
102 97 96.3 94.5 94 93.7 93.4 93.3 93.1 93 92.9 92.6 92.5 92.4
100 96 94.7 94 93.6 93.3 93.1 93 92.9 92.8 92.7 92.5 92.4 92.3
99 95.5 94.3 93.8 93.4 93.2 93 92.9 92.8 92.7 92.6 92.4 92.3 92.3
Resultant octane of mixture

go to this site,it's easier to read:

http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/misc/Octanemix.html
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I wish more people were as smart as you. Everything you posted is 100% accurate. All those "octane boosters" are a complete waste of money and most are 99.9% kerosene.

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I have read quite a bit on this subject. Most are Junk but "lucas" does actually raise the octane with one bottle Volvo Performance Repairs And Modifications
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I'm not an expert, an authority, or a chemist, but I have worked in an oil refinery for 35 yrs. The last 23 yrs I've been in various supervisory roles over fuels blending, both leaded and unleaded, both automotive and aviation. So that's what I'm basing my comments on, my work history/experience.

The cleaning of your fuel system that others have posted about comes from toluene, it is definitely a "cleaning" solvent, that also happens to have a very good octane rating, as others have posted.

Almost all refineries use the option of blending with toluene, especially in 91-93 pump gas blends. Toluene is a refining by product, if the particular refinery has any chemical process units. Those refiners use the toluene they produce in gasoline blending, but they also sell it as feedstock to other chemical plants to make other products. Refiners that don't produce their own toluene purchase it in rail car quantities. Consumers can purchase toluene in gallon cans at Lowes, etc., but it is available in 55 gal drums if you can find a bulk chemical supplier.

Back in the 70's, I built a hot SBC for a Vega that saw both street and strip action. Thru lots of experimenting, I found that a blend of 93 pump gas with 10% toluene was the best blend for my particular engine, along with lots of experimenting with carb jetting and ignition timing. I probably could have done just as well by just buying 110 race gas, but I had the toluene available, and I'm a tinkerer. 10% toluene may not be optimum for everyone. For me, anything over 10% toluene resulted in dark sooty plugs with no increase in performance, even when changing jets and plug heat ranges. Too much toluene will also hamper cold starts and will be extremely rich until your engine is up to normal operating temps.

Aviation gasoline (NOT to be confused with aviation turbine/jet fuel, which is kerosene), both leaded and unleaded, relies heavily on toluene. Some aviation gasoline blends in my past had as much as 30% toluene in the blends.

I have not evaluated any of the bottled octane boosters, but I have a hard time believing that they raise octane as much as they advertise. It's what I call "snake oil". If it works for you, go for it!

I also play with two Harley's; one engine is stock, the other is heavily modified. I have found that in extremely hot weather that the Lucas octane booster seems to help my modified Harley, but now we are talking air cooled engines, so that adds another variable. In my modified engine, I ran Sunoco 106 a few times, it ran better. But, my Harley dyno man told me not to run 106 as a steady diet unless I planned to do it 100% of the time, and it was tuned on the dyno for 106.

Obviously this is just my opinion and experience, for what its worth.

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Great information guys. Hey, I didn't mean to come across short on my post with octane booster. I apologize. I have used many and do believe Race Gas is the best option followed by a mixture of race gas. Toluene continues to work very good for me as I get it in bulk. I understand there are alot of snake oils out there and additive for the most part is not always a good option, So again great information and thanks for the reply Ron, I'll have to call some companies in my area to see about a barrel. The Horsepower Pills had me cracking up. I've been hooked on it like a crack addict for years.
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