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01-04-2013, 08:57 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Hideaway, Texas,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Backdraft #318, 418 CI, 532 RWHP, Mass Flow Injected, TKO600-Road Race, BMW M3 Suspension, Race Springs (Wouldn't do it again, rough on the street).
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Interesting Numbers - Article, Is Shelby Really This Awful To It's Dealers
Hope the link works, if not Google it if it sounds interesting. A few fun tidbits in the article.
Please note, I'm a reader only and have no dog in this fight, or whatever it may become.
Is Shelby Really This Awful To Its Dealers?
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01-04-2013, 09:16 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Originally Posted by wrogers55
A few fun tidbits in the article.
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Like the exact numbers that dealers are charged for their cars? Yes indeed, everyone likes reading hard numbers. Especially RodKnock. Personally, I love a good lawsuit -- it's just sport, you know....  |
01-04-2013, 10:33 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance #522
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Not worth the hassle for those commission levels. Not for the effort required .
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01-04-2013, 11:12 AM
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Location: Hillsboro,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Scratch built CSX style frame, Carbon fiber body, 393 Stroker, T-bird IRS, T5
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Well, all those expensive lawyers Shelby has on retainer have to be paid somehow. It seems overhead is getting ahead of income again with Shelby. Maybe they should bring somebody in who knows how to run a company efficiently and for profit?
All in all, nothing really new here.....
Bob
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01-04-2013, 11:43 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, 65 Sunbeam Tiger, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
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Been discussed here before:
Press release :shelby automobiles sued
Bill S.
PS: I was even threatened with being dragged into the lawsuit for posting my opinions   
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First time Cobra buyers-READ THIS
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01-04-2013, 12:47 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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01-04-2013, 08:11 PM
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Location: Heath,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby American CSX 8000 Slab Side series, 289 High Pro , Eight Stack EFI system ,TKO500
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All I will add is Buyer be wear!! Of who is the question? CSX 8050
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01-04-2013, 10:51 PM
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Location: Tempe,AZ-High Point,NC,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #684, 482FE, Mike Mccluskey build
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Thank God I bought a Kirkham... 
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01-05-2013, 11:38 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby Cobra CSX4206 aluminum body, original 1965 NASCAR 427 SO, Dual quads.
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Anyone can sue for anything . That's the easy part. The facts will determine the outcome. Our opinions and speculation don't detrmime anything or add anything constructive.
An observation of interest though is that Planet Cobra has a full page add in the current Shelby magazine touting that they a leading authorized Shelby dealer.
Make of that what you will.
My point is that it is unfair to draw conclusions either way based on mere pleadings.
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01-05-2013, 05:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by REAL 1
Anyone can sue for anything . That's the easy part. The facts will determine the outcome. Our opinions and speculation don't detrmime anything or add anything constructive.
An observation of interest though is that Planet Cobra has a full page add in the current Shelby magazine touting that they a leading authorized Shelby dealer.
Make of that what you will.
My point is that it is unfair to draw conclusions either way based on mere pleadings.
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I have to agree with REAL1 on this one.
DD
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01-05-2013, 07:49 PM
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Dealer price is $41,200 for a fiberglass CSX Cobra?
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01-05-2013, 10:17 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt
Like the exact numbers that dealers are charged for their cars? Yes indeed, everyone likes reading hard numbers. Especially RodKnock. Personally, I love a good lawsuit -- it's just sport, you know.... |
A couple of interesting notes here.
How the heck are they calculating margins? If the dealer sells a Fiberglass Cobra for $59,9XX now or in the "old" days for $49,9XX and the dealer cost quoted in the article is $41,200, that ain't no 12% margins. But I'm no mathematician.
And the article states that Shelby's are "official reproductions of the originals."  |
01-06-2013, 07:49 AM
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What's an "official" reproduction of the original? Shelby gave himself permission to make Shelby Cobras again?
The article may have miss information as to margins? No, really? Lol.
This underscores my point. Can't decide the case based on articles.
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01-06-2013, 08:47 AM
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What's an "official" reproduction of the original? Shelby gave himself permission to make Shelby Cobras again?
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You make a good point. For example, if da Vinci had decided to paint several more Mona Lisas late in his career just to earn a few bucks, they would have still been original Mona Lisas by da Vinci, just like the first one only with better paints and canvas. Some people just don't get it. 
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"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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01-06-2013, 12:46 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: csx4163 full comp alu. body
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A car is the sum of its parts, and csx figures into that. When I was younger and was building my Bennett car I wanted to make it as (authentic) as possible. Real Smith gauges, the right steering wheel, seats with the right suspension, side pipes with the correct turns where they attach to main pipe, not prefab collector, the roll bar showing behind the seat, English handles, latches, windshield , lights , I have to thank Ron Butler for those finishing pieces and so forth. I laugh now because you open the hood and yes there is a real MR side oiler in there with the correct top loader but there is no main frame rails just small tubing, the engine is set way back and the push rod suspension shows. In back you can see the sheet metal 9" ford Independent rear end. I guess I just got confused. The Bennett car is what it is and CSX cars are what they are. You have to decide what floats your boat and do your best to fulfill your dream. Everyone s dream is different, do what moves you and have fun. If you want Shelbys deal you will have to deal with Shelby American and The dealer network along with the price.
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01-06-2013, 03:45 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Black CSX 4910, Roush 511 8 stack
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Don't kid yourself. The profit isn't in the roller, it is the $650 they want to charge for a glovebox and 1200 for stripes. Also profit is selling motor and trans combo and the $10-20k they charge for install to fully completed car. I would guess the final out the door profit margins are 20%-30%
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01-06-2013, 07:29 PM
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Nothing wrong with profit or making as much of it as you can. The market will determine the correct amount of profit justified.
We all look to make as much profit as the market will bare. Nothing wrong with SAI and dealers doing the same.
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01-06-2013, 08:23 PM
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The name is worth millions...millions...
I am sure they don't need my advice, and so I will give it...
They are pissing away any oportunity to make any money by developing way and I mean way to many models....
The developement and construction costs for so many models are wasted... they should concentrate on those models that made Shelby a world brand.. make one or maybe two Cobras and one or two Mustangs and quit screwing around with so many models and variations that just canabilize sales...
Focus on quality, dealer relations and timely delivery....or someone will buy the name and make a bundle.
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01-06-2013, 09:31 PM
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Real one,
I don't disagree at all. I own 3businesses and without capitalism this country will continue going down the tubes even further. My point is I don't have too much sympathy for cobra dealers that claim they are only making 10% on the roller when we know they make much more on the other items. I just wish people would tell the whole truth
Ron
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01-06-2013, 10:32 PM
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Nothing wrong with profit or making as much of it as you can. The market will determine the correct amount of profit justified.
We all look to make as much profit as the market will bare. Nothing wrong with SAI and dealers doing the same.
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