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05-30-2013, 09:02 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Vero Beach,
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Cobra Make, Engine: COX 6111 - '66 "AC 289 Sports."
Posts: 1,572
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People often display an incorrect knowledge of what they own is worth, especially when it is offered up on eBay. Plus which, in the case of these owner's manuals, there were some reproductions made a number of years ago that will confuse even the experts today.
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05-30-2013, 09:09 AM
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: California,
Ca
Cobra Make, Engine: NAF 289 Slabside Early Comp Car with 289 Webers and all the goodies. Cancelling the efforts of several Priuses
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Absolutely!
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Rick
As you slide down the Banister of Life, may the splinters never be pointing the wrong way 
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05-30-2013, 09:18 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Manchester,
NH
Cobra Make, Engine: AK1085 (302 Street), HTM111 (427 Comp), CSX2375R (289 Comp) and COB5999 (427 S/C)
Posts: 19,011
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I third that!
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05-30-2013, 10:36 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Tucson,
AZ
Cobra Make, Engine:
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Do you think that one is a repro?
Larry
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05-30-2013, 01:13 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Crawley,
WS
Cobra Make, Engine: AC427 MkIII of 2004 vintage
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I was fortunate enough to obtain a copy 'back in the day'. Happy to exchange for a 1964 289 MkII Cobra with provenence. Roll up.....
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05-30-2013, 01:34 PM
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: California,
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Cobra Make, Engine: NAF 289 Slabside Early Comp Car with 289 Webers and all the goodies. Cancelling the efforts of several Priuses
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The real deal for 289's had brass screws. I have one that has an owners name. Written in pencil inside. Verified the name in the registry.
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Rick
As you slide down the Banister of Life, may the splinters never be pointing the wrong way
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05-30-2013, 02:51 PM
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Sound familiar (coming from me), like most things Cobra chassis manuals are not that simple.
We have accounted for three different versions (so far) from the production period. The content in the books changed as the specifications of the cars changed. Original owner car manuals have had brass screws or aluminum screws.
Then owners could and did get copies of what was on hand from either a Shelby company or AC Cars into the late 1970s. Based on what people have displayed it must have been an accident to get any particular version. If it matched their chassis range okay if not too bad.
So many originals seemed to have been distributed with the cars or through the parts departments that originals in good to horrible condition are not all that rare. The rare book is the one taken out of its Cobra near day one and kept in mint condition well away from roadside, shade tree, or shop use.
'Reproductions'. Some time before 1983 when I bought a reproduction to use as a shop copy a photo copy an original became readily available. The holotype book they used to photograph had a hand written cross reference in it. Somebody had noted that the AC Cars 187-337 oil seal was the Ford/Shelby part number S1CS-1180-A. That note was not removed before production of the new replacement books. Missing from the photo reproductions were some information regarding the original publisher and price for the book. Since that time several companies and at least one club have had their own replacements created and distributed. I talked with a rare literature dealer at a big event once and he told me he could order all the copies of "originals" that I wanted.
Details, details. The common reproductions have something dimensionally different from any original that I have measured: the over-all length and width, the weight of the page stock, the weight of the cover stock, length of the screws, total thickness of the entire book, texture of page or cover stock, color of the cover stock, etcetera. The photo copy that I bought in 1983 has slips of paper stock inserted in the binding as shims to help fill out the space for the long fasteners the producer used. I have not examined the expensive reproductions but I am told that at least one is very convincing especially if aged a little. A clue to origin that some people use is the clarity of factory pictures. Pictures in original manuals are of decent quality and many fine details can be seen in assemblies. The common reproductions lost finer details in their picture illustrations, the copy or copy of a copy not being as clear as an original.
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1964 Cobra owner since 1983, Cobra crazy since I saw my first one in the mid 1960s in Huntsville, AL.
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05-30-2013, 07:53 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: York Co. Maine USA,
ME
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 427 S/C W/Holmon Moody Original Nascar build #508 Iron Block/heads (C5AE-H) Bal/Blu 427 Sideoiler; 780 Holley Dbl. Pump; 4 Speed Top Loader; AP Racing Bks; IRS; 15" Trigo pins
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I wonder what my old friends 427 manual from csx3116 is worth? I know he still has it.
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05-30-2013, 09:25 PM
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Average Guy
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Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Rushville,
IN
Cobra Make, Engine: red Shell Valley, white stripes
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I've got a parts catalog from Carroll Shelby Enterprises that is dated November 1968, and someone has written the number CSX 2149 on the cover page. I would love to know more about it.
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When I said I wanted to be somebody, I probably should have been more specific...
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05-30-2013, 10:59 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tempe,AZ-High Point,NC,
AZ
Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #684, 482FE, Mike Mccluskey build
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Is the info in the manual really needed, It seems common knowledge to real Cobra guys? Or is it just the fact people want them to have them... My SPF and Kirkham didn't come with manuals... 
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05-31-2013, 01:28 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Allen,
TX
Cobra Make, Engine: Werk77 289FIA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fordracing65
Is the info in the manual really needed, It seems common knowledge to real Cobra guys? Or is it just the fact people want them to have them... My SPF and Kirkham didn't come with manuals... |
...less to hold on in case of a law suit, that simple.
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