Ron, that makes it tough for the folks with COB and COX cars from the 60's. But what the heck, no one other than CSX 2 and CSX 3 owners were supposed to be reading any of this thread in the first place, yet it has come to my attention that others must have been doing so. How should they be properly punished?
I can easily see why owners of original cars would ascribe to the notion "if it wasn't built by Shelby in the 60's then it's not real". No axe to grind there.
Well not really. All original Cobra chassis were assigned their number by AC Cars Ltd. not SA. About 10% of the 998 Cobras produced never went to Shelby American. They were completed by AC Cars Ltd, with engines shipped to them by Ford, and sold to countries outside the USA.
And yes, owners of original Cobras accept those 10% as REAL, ORIGINAL, and GENUINE.
Going beyond the general discussion on the Continuation Series....
and getting to the specificss lets start with the cover of the Registry titled "World Registry of Cobras & GT40s." It isn't titled "and Kits and Replicas". And what do you know I don't see FFRs, ERAs, Contemporaries, Backdrafts and the like in the Registry. Did I miss something?
I wonder if Kirkham and Shelby Component cars, AC MKIV's, Additional Angliss Production cars etc, being very similar in appearance to original cars, are listed in the Registry in order to lessen the chance of confusion for future buyers of original Cobras? Just a thought...
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I am equally amazed that you continue to spew that lame explanation.
As stated so many times before, when a 'civilian' asks if it is 'real' or 'original'...we all know exactly what they mean.
Unless you own a CSX2000 or 3000 car, any answer other than "no..." is a self serving line of BS.
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The explanation is not lame, misleading nor is it spewed but given in response to the question.
Yes, I agree that most "civilians" are inquiring if it is an "original" by asking if its "real". But as we "non-civilans" know the facts on the ground have changed since 1968. Again, SAAC and the Registry acknowledges and discuss this in detail.
If the question posed to me is.. "is that an original?" I always answer honestly and say "no, it's not an original, its a Continuation series Shebly Cobra." There are a fair number of people today that already know what that is but some don't admittedly don't.
If the question is, "is it real" which is a different question based on the facts today as much as many hate to admit it, the answer I give "yes, it is a Continuation series Shelby Cobra". The word "continuation" does not in any way sound like the word "original", it's spelling is not similar and in fact it's commonly understood meaning defines something other than original. That is self evident.
Why does the ignorance of "civilians" require Continuation Cobra owners to change or modify their factual answers to conform to the ignorance of the person asking the question so as to perpetuate the belief of the "civilian" that the Continuation Cobra is not a real Cobra? It doesn't.
So,... if a person asks me the question "is your Cobra real?" It's your position that the only truthful answer must be prefeced by the word "No" then I guess according to you I am then free to say " it is a Continuation series Cobra"? That would make alot of original owners happy I'm sure since that answer is then easily misconstrued by the "civilian" as you call them that it is then a "kit car or replica" as that word is now commonly understood which it is not according to SAAC and the Registry. See discussion and definitions in the World Registry.
No, you see what you suggest Continuation Cobra owners should be constrained to in answering the "is it real" quesiton is "lame" and unfair. The more accurate answer is "yes it is a real Cobra. Its a Continuation series Cobra"... I could add in exchange of this Yes it is real, however it is not an original series Cobra but a continuation series Cobra." This answer if fair and accurate.
Yes, AC stamped the serial numbers on the original chasis. What does "CSX" stand for again???? LOL.
The COB and COX cars were allowed to be called Cobras under agreement/license with Shelby, but for that they would not be Cobras either unless designated so by SAAC which they were. Ask Brian Angliss.
I agree that the Registry defines these cars and explains what they are in order to avoid confusion with the original cars and with "non Cobras" to in order to help protect future buyers. There have aleady been cases were the unscrupulous have tried to counterfit Continuation Cobras and pawn them off as such.
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The explanation is not lame, misleading nor is it spewed but given in response to the question.
Yes, I agree that most "civilians" are inquiring if it is an "original" by asking if its "real". But as we "non-civilans" know the facts on the ground have changed since 1968. Again, SAAC and the Registry acknowledges and discuss this in detail.
If the question posed to me is.. "is that an original?" I always answer honestly and say "no, it's not an original, its a Continuation series Shebly Cobra." There are a fair number of people today that already know what that is but some don't admittedly don't.
If the question is, "is it real" which is a different question based on the facts today as much as many hate to admit it, the answer I give "yes, it is a Continuation series Shelby Cobra". The word "continuation" does not in any way sound like the word "original", it's spelling is not similar and in fact it's commonly understood meaning defines something other than original. That is self evident.
Why does the ignorance of "civilians" require Continuation Cobra owners to change or modify their factual answers to conform to the ignorance of the person asking the question so as to perpetuate the belief of the "civilian" that the Continuation Cobra is not a real Cobra? It doesn't.
So,... if a person asks me the question "is your Cobra real?" It's your position that the only truthful answer must be prefeced by the word "No" then I guess according to you I am then free to say " it is a Continuation series Cobra"? That would make alot of original owners happy I'm sure since that answer is then easily misconstrued by the "civilian" as you call them that it is then a "kit car or replica" as that word is now commonly understood which it is not according to SAAC and the Registry. See discussion and definitions in the World Registry.
No, you see what you suggest Continuation Cobra owners should be constrained to in answering the "is it real" quesiton is "lame" and unfair. The more accurate answer is "yes it is a real Cobra. Its a Continuation series Cobra"... I could add in exchange of this Yes it is real, however it is not an original series Cobra but a continuation series Cobra." This answer if fair and accurate.
Yes, AC stamped the serial numbers on the original chasis. What does "CSX" stand for again???? LOL.
The COB and COX cars were allowed to be called Cobras under agreement/license with Shelby, but for that they would not be Cobras either unless designated so by SAAC which they were. Ask Brian Angliss.
I agree that the Registry defines these cars and explains what they are in order to avoid confusion with the original cars and with "non Cobras" to in order to help protect future buyers. There have aleady been cases were the unscrupulous have tried to counterfit Continuation Cobras and pawn them off as such.
Patrick: Violence is not always the answer. Learn to accept the facts and the truth. LOL.
Imagine if you had to explain the difference every day, to every single person that asks? No thanks.
I've never been asked if my car was "original", only if it were "real". I have never answered yes, always answered it is a replica. If I had a continuation series, I would have no problem answering "yes" to "is that real?" But like you, I understand the difference of real/original.
The challenging question is; "What kind of car is that"?
I answer that as a replica of a 1965 Shelby 427 Cobra. "A what"? A Shelby Cobra. "insert response/cool car/nice ride etc".
I'm never sure why Brian Angliss, who came into the AC Cars equation many years after the last 60's-built Cobra was built, should be relied upon as a primary source of information about cars constructed by others long prior to his involvement. He has reconstructed a number of early cars, and he did build the AC MK.IV's, but he had nothing to do with Shelby or AC Cars in the 60's.
I'm never sure why Brian Angliss, who came into the AC Cars equation many years after the last 60's-built Cobra was built, should be relied upon as a primary source of information about cars constructed by others long prior to his involvement. He has reconstructed a number of early cars, and he did build the AC MK.IV's, but he had nothing to do with Shelby or AC Cars in the 60's.
Let's ask him anyway, here's his telephone number: 1-800-WHO-CARES.
Patrick and I resolved it by using the new CSX4000 terminology: "True Replica."
I agree of course with the definition as described by SAAC.
As for replicas, they ( the rest) are NOT replicas, they are KIT cars, just as the magazine, (if it's still published) is called, KIT CARS or something to that effect.
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All original Cobra chassis were assigned their number by AC Cars Ltd. not SA. About 10% of the 998 Cobras produced never went to Shelby American. They were completed by AC Cars Ltd, with engines shipped to them by Ford, and sold to countries outside the USA. 
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