For CSX 2000 and 3000 Series Cobra Owners Eyes Only

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by CobraEd

These posts from "you know who" are the epitome of insecurity. Do we really need to see all this. Lets just shut the whole thing down.


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Now I'm insecure? Geez. You obviously don't bother to read what I have said either. Nothing to do with insecurity.

Also, plenty of other threads to pick from if you don't like this one.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

I addressed you directly in post #91 of this thread and I'd like a direct response from you. I don't like being talked past.
At least two others agreed that I presented a sensible alternative to this endless and destructive carping and semantics exercise.
What is your feeling about my suggestion Evan?

Your suggestion was a good one, however, when I am accused of lying ( or now being insecure) I just felt compelled to set the record straight. I doubt you would sit by idly if accused of lying. I did not mean to talk past you. You didn't like that. I don't like being called a liar (by a moderator no less).

As I said above had I not been accused of "lying" I had no interest in wasting further breath on this discussion as I agreed with you.

I lost interest in this site previously due to personal attacks in the past. Have no interest in continuing to participate in any site where I am attacked personally.

Thanks.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Why did you do that? I had a headache before you even started writing, but that technique made it absolutely splitting.

EDIT - Unless that post looked normal on everyone else's screen but mine and doesn't have brackets scattered throughout the entire post.

Sorry. It was my damn Ipad. I hate these things!!!

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Sorry. It was my damn Ipad. I hate these things!!!

OK, I thought you did it on purpose as it was incredibly effective at provoking irritation.

[REAL 1]

Nope. I never try to provoke irritation around here. It just seems to happen naturally for me.

[Tutosnake]

Please, help me out and forgive me. It is hard to identify people I have never met in person. It seems to me, however, that there is not one challenger to REAL 1's position that is an ORIGINAL owner in this thread. Indeed, it seems to me that all challengers are non-original owners. Is this true? If that were the case, then REAL 1 is addressing the wrong audience. Unless you own an original car, your comment is pretty superfluous and inconsequential. The issue here is between a CSX2000/3000 owner and a 4000/6000/7000 one. So far, and again correct me if I'm wrong, I have yet to witness an owner of an original challenge REAL 1. ERA, Kirkham, FF, are all very nice indeed, but they are NOT Shelby Cobras. They may arguably be, in some instances, a better product... but, guess what? They are NOT Shelby. I think REAL 1 has to relax, take the back seat, watch, and drive his car. There is no one on this earth that can convince this audience of the validity of a CSX Continuation car. Be that as it may, the fact remains. Original, real, copy, replica, kit, continuation... who cares. It is a Shelby Cobra, no matter how you approach and/or look at it. Ultimately, your paper work speaks for itself.
Just drive it.
I have expressed my full thought on this elsewhere.
In the meantime, somebody asked to talk about one's car, its virtues, its needs, etc., instead of the originality/authenticity issue. I made an attempt at digressing by telling you about my transmission, and no one paid attention. Obviously, then you are all fixated in a never ending issue. I guess it keeps some of you busy. I have no issue. I own a Shelby Cobra with the CSX6108 number. Does any one else?
Cheers!
Hector

[Cobra #3170]

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

Well, my car's top loader is out for repair... 2nd. and 3rd. gears are bad...

I'll bite, how the heck did you do that, I pounded on mine for 32 years with nary a problem, replaced it with a Jerrico so I could shift without a clutch. Did you run it out of gear lube? I had a NASCAR shop go through the Top Loader after I replaced it with the Jerrico and they said it looked like new.

[Tutosnake]

Well, you don't make me feel good about it AT ALL
I'm a spirited amateur driver
I knew mine was a refurbished one. Maybe not very good to start with. It's on its way to the builder for repair under warranty.
I first blamed it on my novice habits (though I have been shifting gears all my life). However, when I noticed the gears would pop out by themselves, I started wondering about their integrity.
If I have to start over, I'll get an all aluminum from Kees in San Antonio.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

I don't like being talked past.

Did someone say something? Well, anyway, I thought I heard someone say something but I guess not. Now what were we talking about.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

The issue here is between a CSX2000/3000 owner and a 4000/6000/7000 one. So far, and again correct me if I'm wrong, I have yet to witness an owner of an original challenge REAL 1. ERA, Kirkham, FF, are all very nice indeed, but they are NOT Shelby Cobras.
Hector

Hector, this thread is for aluminum cars only, because a true replica must be made of aluminum.

Hector, first, there are owners of 1960's era Cobras on this thread and I get the feeling they're not fond of any replicas, including continuation Shelby Cobras. Second, this forum is for ALL Cobras, not just Shelby's. Please don't try to limit my or others free speech just because we don't own a Shelby Cobra. This is a public forum and we can speak as long as we abide by the rules of the forum.

Lastly, this thread is like all the threads before it on the subject. This thread should have been closed a long time ago. Did you read the OP's original question? How does it feel to be asked whether your CSX2000 or CSX3000 is real or an original? DUH!

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Sorry. It was my damn Ipad. I hate these things!!!

Yep, it's the iPad's fault.

The guys on the GT forum got it? They don't give a "you know what."

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Bill: Yes I said what I wrote obviously, however, do me a favor and yourself a favor try using quotes in context if you are going to use them. Having it pointed out that you used a statement out of context or without full explanation makes you look a little silly.

Evan,

"This business is well ended.
My liege, and madam, to expostulate
What majesty should be, what duty is,
Why day is day, night night, and time is time,
Were nothing but to waste night, day and time.
Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit,
And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,
I will be brief: your noble son is mad:
Mad call I it; for, to define true madness,
What is't but to be nothing else but mad?
But let that go."

Hamlet, 1602

What more really needs to be said


Bill S.

PS: We were in Warren last night, those damn cicada bugs are so loud, not sure how you guys can stand it.

[MOTORHEAD]

I'm just going to jump in here with my 2cents FWIW:
Only csx 2xxx & 3xxx series are ORIGINAL Cobras.
Cobras built by Shelby after the original series are SHELBY COBRAS, just not ORIGINAL COBRAS.
Then there are REPLICAS, factory or homebuilt that try to duplicate the originas as close as posible.
Then there are KIT CARS, which look like a Cobra, but what's under the skin can be almost anything.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it !!!

[MOTORHEAD]

Tuto: if you do any hiway driving, do yourself a favor and swap out that top load for a TKO with OD 5th.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

...I noticed the gears would pop out by themselves, I started wondering about their integrity.

If that is your only problem, before you pull everything out, remove the trim ring and shifter boot from your tunnel and drive the car around for a while with nothing but a hole surrounding your shifter. If the problem vanishes, then there's nothing wrong with the transmission.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Gee Ron, you again conveniently left off the balance of what ... blah, blah, blah...

Evan...I know you too well to continue a semantic argument beyond the first two rounds... as stated, you just don't get it.

One more time, and I'll let the discussion continue without me.

1. Original Cobras were built from 1962-1968.

2. When the general populace asks if a Cobra is "real," most every rational person in the hobby knows full well what they are asking.

3. You choose to delude them with your "clinical" explanation....for the sole purpose of what? Educating them? Making them feel good? Making you feel good?
Don't care. It's a lie...

4. Your car is not real, in that context. Your car is nice...your car has a Shelby nameplate (that is not in dispute). It is authentically a car that was sourced from a company that Shelby owned... not the company that made real and original Cobras.

5. In 1962, Shelby (and AC) made and sold cars.

6. In this generation, the Shelby company makes and sells kits that are a replica of the original, and a nice one at that.

7. You did not buy a car from Shelby, if we want to stay clinical about the semantics. You bought a kit. Your "car" wasn't built by Shelby; your car was built by an aging hippie in Pennsylvania...the guy who turned your kit into a motor vehicle.

So...
It is not that we really don't like you... it is the incessant irritant of your need to try and "educate" a circle of folks about an alternate reality.

It has always been clear that for some reason, you "need" to embrace your supposition that your car is genuinely real and needs to be footnoted whenever some poor kid tries to find out if he is looking at an original Cobra.

I know you won't stop and I know you won't be convinced otherwise...and that's OK.

And you are welcome to keep coming back periodically to ClubCobra to state your case, no matter how exasperating it is to listen to.

...and I will always continue to call BS.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

Please, help me out and forgive me. It is hard to identify people I have never met in person. It seems to me, however, that there is not one challenger to REAL 1's position that is an ORIGINAL owner in this thread. Indeed, it seems to me that all challengers are non-original owners. Is this true? If that were the case, then REAL 1 is addressing the wrong audience. Unless you own an original car, your comment is pretty superfluous and inconsequential. The issue here is between a CSX2000/3000 owner and a 4000/6000/7000 one. So far, and again correct me if I'm wrong, I have yet to witness an owner of an original challenge REAL 1. ERA, Kirkham, FF, are all very nice indeed, but they are NOT Shelby Cobras. They may arguably be, in some instances, a better product... but, guess what? They are NOT Shelby. I think REAL 1 has to relax, take the back seat, watch, and drive his car. There is no one on this earth that can convince this audience of the validity of a CSX Continuation car. Be that as it may, the fact remains. Original, real, copy, replica, kit, continuation... who cares. It is a Shelby Cobra, no matter how you approach and/or look at it. Ultimately, your paper work speaks for itself.
Just drive it.
I have expressed my full thought on this elsewhere.
In the meantime, somebody asked to talk about one's car, its virtues, its needs, etc., instead of the originality/authenticity issue. I made an attempt at digressing by telling you about my transmission, and no one paid attention. Obviously, then you are all fixated in a never ending issue. I guess it keeps some of you busy. I have no issue. I own a Shelby Cobra with the CSX6108 number. Does any one else?
Cheers!
Hector

Tuto: I'm not trying to convince anyone. Don't misunderstand. I fully realize that there are some that have their own agenda and will never agree publically and realized it years and years ago. Believe me. Just making my point on a public forum so anyone (including "civilians") reading the thread will see the "facts" are otherwise as stated by the world's leading authority, SAAC. Then had to respond to the comment that I am " lying" to the lay person. Can't let that one go. However, I understand those that continue to argue the point will never publicily agree for their own reasons. I've said all there is to say.

To challenge me on my position is to challenge SAAC and the World Registry on theirs. I don't care what anyone says including those fortuante enough to own an original series Cobra. The SAAC and World Registry has spoken.

You are right, my friend, its all right there in your title work and the World Registry where it says Shelby Cobra. BTW, your car looks great.

Rodknock: Yes, you caught me I'm "lying" about unintentionally makeing my statement. It was part of my nefarious strategy in making my point by making it harder to read. You are quite the sluth.

I am now taking my Cobra out for a ride. Beautiful day and get to answer more is it "real" questions.

[REAL 1]

Oop. Double post. Damn I pad again.

[REAL 1]

Ron: Thanks. The only issue I have with you is your use of the word "lie". That is unfair and wrong.

I see you continue make statements inconsistent and twist what has been stated in the SAAC Registry. You have one, right? It's all in there. It's actually set forth very clearly in such a manner it's not even subject to a debate as to what it says. It's very well written. Why, even "civilians" can understand it!

The fact that you are a moderator here, concours judge and an official with SAAC does not give you individually some unstated or unseen "appellate" power over what the World Registry says.

And, yes, I do try and educate the public when they ask about my car. I dislike ignorance. It's also the fact I can't let self serving views inconsistent with the World Registry set forth on public forum go unchallenged

I know that from time to time you will pop in and try and misstate the facts and twist things and even resort to saying I am "lying" to the "civilian" but I will continue to call BS when you do.

[computerworks]

I told you ...you will never understand.