For CSX 2000 and 3000 Series Cobra Owners Eyes Only

[REAL 1]

Neither wll you.

[1ntCobra]

Oh NO! Not only did Shelby Automobiles use the slogan "Own the Real Thing" on tea cups, but now I find out Shelby American's telephone and fax numbers are "REAL" and "COBRA":

SHELBY AMERICAN, INC.
6755 Speedway Blvd.
Las Vegas, NV 89115
Tel: 702.942.REAL (7325)
Fax: 702.93.COBRA (26272)

What are the civilians going to think "real" means when Shelby is using the word to sell new Cobras?

At least Evan tries to unconfuse the civilians of their apparent misuse of the question, "Is it real?"

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

This is so confusing. We have lawyers, the cobra registrar, at least one cobra book author, long time saac members all discussing what's real again. The registry has all of those pages to read, which will take forever. Maybe I should just ask my magic 8 ball? Or better yet, I'll ask my tea cup...

[jhv48]

No one disputes the fact that they are REAL.

But everyone disputes the fact that they are ORIGINAL.

The public only wants to know if they are ORIGINAL, even though they ask "is it real?"

Why is this so confusing to you guys?

Continuation cars are REAL Shelby Cobras, but not ORIGINAL Shelby Cobras. Tell the public what it wants to know. "No my car is not an ORIGINAL Shelby cobra, but it is a REAL Shelby cobra!" Then try and explain what you mean while they stare at you. Or you could just tell them the truth, "NO!" and be done with it!

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Oh NO! Not only did Shelby Automobiles use the slogan "Own the Real Thing" on tea cups, ... blah, blah, blah, blah

Say, wasn't Coca-Cola, the "Real Thing"?

[LightNFast]

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

Please, help me out and forgive me. It is hard to identify people I have never met in person. It seems to me, however, that there is not one challenger to REAL 1's position that is an ORIGINAL owner in this thread. Indeed, it seems to me that all challengers are non-original owners. Is this true? If that were the case, then REAL 1 is addressing the wrong audience. Unless you own an original car, your comment is pretty superfluous and inconsequential. The issue here is between a CSX2000/3000 owner and a 4000/6000/7000 one. So far, and again correct me if I'm wrong, I have yet to witness an owner of an original challenge REAL 1. ERA, Kirkham, FF, are all very nice indeed, but they are NOT Shelby Cobras. They may arguably be, in some instances, a better product... but, guess what? They are NOT Shelby. I think REAL 1 has to relax, take the back seat, watch, and drive his car. There is no one on this earth that can convince this audience of the validity of a CSX Continuation car. Be that as it may, the fact remains. Original, real, copy, replica, kit, continuation... who cares. It is a Shelby Cobra, no matter how you approach and/or look at it. Ultimately, your paper work speaks for itself.
Just drive it.
I have expressed my full thought on this elsewhere.
In the meantime, somebody asked to talk about one's car, its virtues, its needs, etc., instead of the originality/authenticity issue. I made an attempt at digressing by telling you about my transmission, and no one paid attention. Obviously, then you are all fixated in a never ending issue. I guess it keeps some of you busy. I have no issue. I own a Shelby Cobra with the CSX6108 number. Does any one else?
Cheers!
Hector

You're not alone, and it does appear the bashing is always from members that don't actually own Shelby Cobras. There's obviously some bad blood going on here but it's still disappointing that a Senior Member would call someone that purchased his car as a Shelby... and says it's a "real Cobra from Shelby" a liar. Other than resale value, that's the point of paying the premium... You can honestly say it's a real Shelby Cobra. I liar is one that calls their replica a "Cobra" unless of course it's a real Shelby.

I also highly doubt owners of 2000 & 3000 series cars care much about what replicas are called.

This thread isn't completely useless, it can always serve as a bad example.

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[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by LightNFast

You're not alone, and it does appear the bashing is always from members that don't actually own Shelby Cobras. There's obviously some bad blood going on here but it's still disappointing that a Senior Member would call someone that purchased his car as a Shelby... and says it's a "real Cobra from Shelby" a liar. Other than resale value, that's the point of paying the premium... You can honestly say it's a real Shelby Cobra. I liar is one that calls their replica a "Cobra" unless of course it's a real Shelby.

I also highly doubt owners of 2000 & 3000 series cars care much about what replicas are called.

This thread isn't completely useless, it can always serve as a bad example.

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Well, actually I do own an original Shelby, so that blows your theory out of the water. Ask why CSX Continuation cars Re shut out of pebble beach or other such prestigious events. Or why Continuation series cars Re parked seperatly from CSX2000/3000 cars at other events. It is most certainly not done out of envy.

Truth s told I find more continuation series cars with a chip on their shoulders because there cars are not treated as equals to the CSX2000/3000 series cars. Perhaps because they bought in to the hype that SAI dished out while they were selling them. Expecting them to become the next overnight quality investment and double in value.

Bill S.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by LightNFast

.... but it's still disappointing that a Senior Member would call someone that purchased his car as a Shelby... and says it's a "real Cobra from Shelby" a liar.

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Not entirely. It is all in the context.

If you have ever been at a show or meet, and an enthusiastic kid asks, "Is that a real Cobra?" ...anyone in this hobby knows exactly what they are asking.

To say "Yes, it is.." is just the wrong answer.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by jhv48

No one disputes the fact that they are REAL.

But everyone disputes the fact that they are ORIGINAL.

The public only wants to know if they are ORIGINAL, even though they ask "is it real?"

Why is this so confusing to you guys?

Continuation cars are REAL Shelby Cobras, but not ORIGINAL Shelby Cobras. Tell the public what it wants to know. "No my car is not an ORIGINAL Shelby cobra, but it is a REAL Shelby cobra!" Then try and explain what you mean while they stare at you. Or you could just tell them the truth, "NO!" and be done with it!

Has someone hit the nail of the head?

It's Not About the Nail

[LightNFast]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Well, actually I do own an original Shelby, so that blows your theory out of the water. Ask why CSX Continuation cars Re shut out of pebble beach or other such prestigious events. Or why Continuation series cars Re parked seperatly from CSX2000/3000 cars at other events. It is most certainly not done out of envy.

Truth s told I find more continuation series cars with a chip on their shoulders because there cars are not treated as equals to the CSX2000/3000 series cars. Perhaps because they bought in to the hype that SAI dished out while they were selling them. Expecting them to become the next overnight quality investment and double in value.

Bill S.

That's my point. I didn't say owns a "Shelby" I said owns a "Shelby Cobra". You're slipping....

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I fully realize that there are some that have their own agenda and will never agree publically and realized it years and years ago.

Evan,

We're you looking at yourself in the mirror when you wrote that line

Enjoy the ride.

Bill S.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by LightNFast

That's my point. I didn't say owns a "Shelby" I said owns a "Shelby Cobra". You're slipping....

No, you own a Shelby licensed component car. I say this as that is how SAIabeled and sold them. Unlike the CSX2000/3000 series cars which were mostly sold as turn key vehicles, the continuation series cars could not be legally sold as such. Shelby himself acknowledged the cars as component vehicles, why can't you? Does it make you feel superior to think otherwise?

Bill S.

[LightNFast]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

No, you own a Shelby licensed component car. I say this as that is how SAIabeled and sold them. Unlike the CSX2000/3000 series cars which were mostly sold as turn key vehicles, the continuation series cars could not be legally sold as such. Shelby himself acknowledged the cars as component vehicles, why can't you? Does it make you feel superior to think otherwise?

Bill S.

I own a Superformance... You're having a real bad day - Please let it go.


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[patrickt]

Dang, even I want this thread locked down now.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Well, actually I do own an original Shelby, so that blows your theory out of the water. Ask why CSX Continuation cars Re shut out of pebble beach or other such prestigious events. Or why Continuation series cars Re parked seperatly from CSX2000/3000 cars at other events. It is most certainly not done out of envy.

Truth s told I find more continuation series cars with a chip on their shoulders because there cars are not treated as equals to the CSX2000/3000 series cars. Perhaps because they bought in to the hype that SAI dished out while they were selling them. Expecting them to become the next overnight quality investment and double in value.

Bill S.

Hmm, I suspect that someone trying to enter a 2013 Corvette Z06 into Pebble Beach would just be a confused person, yet he/she still owns a "real" Corvette, just not an "original" Z06.

[patrickt]

I just spent the last half hour cleaning up a roll of toilet paper that someone decided to chew up and spread around the house everywhere. This thread is pretty much the same thing.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by LightNFast

I own a Superformance... You're having a real bad day - Please let it go.


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First, when I respond to these types of threads I do so knowing that it is just a form of mental masterbation. Rarely taken as an attack, nor meant personal. I like Evan, have had the pleasure of seeing him and his car up close and in person many times. We agree to disagree 99% of the time on this subject so do not read into it too seriously.

So are you saying your car is not licensed by SAI as a component vehicle




Bill S.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

No, you own a Shelby licensed component car. I say this as that is how SAIabeled and sold them. Unlike the CSX2000/3000 series cars which were mostly sold as turn key vehicles, the continuation series cars could not be legally sold as such. Shelby himself acknowledged the cars as component vehicles, why can't you? Does it make you feel superior to think otherwise?

Bill S.

So in that case, it does not make sense to use the terms "Shelby Cobra", "FFR Roadster", "Kirkham Daytona Coupe" or "ERA FIA Cobra"? We instead need to say something like "Non Shelby licensed ERA component vehicle with final assembly performed by Joe Bag of Donuts that resembles an FIA Cobra, which by the way is NOT real nor original".

Who cares if it is a component vehicle? A new Shelby Cobra is still a Shelby Cobra, it is just not an original Shelby Cobra.

[LightNFast]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

First, when I respond to these types of threads I do so knowing that it is just a form of mental masterbation. Rarely taken as an attack, nor meant personal. I like Evan, have had the pleasure of seeing him and his car up close and in person many times. We agree to disagree 99% of the time on this subject so do not read into it too seriously.

So are you saying your car is not licensed by SAI as a component vehicle

Bill S.

That's correct. My car is not "licensed by SAI". It is built under the license of "Carroll Shelby Licensing Inc." But truthfully, I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you really didn't intend to drag Superformance cars into this.

But why not - Let's bash anything or anyone that contributes to the success of Shelby's business.

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[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by LightNFast

But why not - Let's bash anything or anyone that contributes to the success of Shelby's business.

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Who is bashing here besides you? I used to own two SPF's, so to say I am bashing the brand is off the mark as well. Care to try for strike 3 ?


Bill S.

[Snake2998]

My Early Shamrock kit is real in as much as Shamrock owned the Cobra trademark for cars in South Africa and built it under that label , so it is a real Cobra, and it is also real because it exists and is not a mirage or a figment of their imagination , but I would never call it real because it clearly is not a sixties one from the Shelby factory - so I tell everyone it is a replica or kit car of which I am very proud because my wife built the motor for me and helped me with the assembly of the car and as such it has special meaning to me.