For CSX 2000 and 3000 Series Cobra Owners Eyes Only

[twobjshelbys]

Now I'm going to stir the pot because I can. .

A purist might assert that even the so called originals are replicas of CSX2000

That one had more personalities than Sybil.

[twobjshelbys]

By the way some of you take this way too seriously.

[Jamo]

ya think?

[RodKnock]

Has anyone heard from Chas lately? I don't think he's checked in here for weeks.

I bet he's busy adjusting the bunny ears on his tube TV.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Need to share something...

Early on (still on the first page), Ron and I were trying to decide whether to let this thread go forward. Ron had his doubts, as did I, because of all of the earlier discussions on this subject.

We finally settled on as good a reason as anything else to let it go forward...there was nuthin else going on.

Conformed... both Jamo and I have this uncanny sixth sense that is most always simpatico.

We needed a first-of-the-Summer runaway thread.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Please search for my photos of CSX 2052 (Otto werlins 260). And Carroll's own 289 car. Both had badges on the dash. Carroll's had an automatic too

Why? I have some pictures, too.

Otto's plaque is aftermarket... same with CSX2589

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by computerworks

Conformed... both Jamo and I have this uncanny sixth sense that is most always simpatico. .

Didn't several of us call this as far back as 2000

It is the never end thread, could you imagine if you merged each one of these threads together, bet it would span almost 300 pages

Rabbit season=I have an original Shelby
Duck season=It's a component car
Rabbit season=I have an original Shelby
Duck season=It's a component car
Rabbit season=I have an original Shelby
Duck season=It's a component car



Bill S.

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Has anyone heard from Chas lately? I don't think he's checked in here for weeks.

I bet he's busy adjusting the bunny ears on his tube TV.

I was the voice of enlightenment in posts #91 and 100.
Your attention span and fact checking are deficient.

When I get my set adjusted, I'll write in Braille so you can follow my future posts.

[ERA Chas]

Hope RSimoes weighs in here.....

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by computerworks

Why? I have some pictures, too.

Otto's plaque is aftermarket... same with CSX2589

Otto's badge:

[url=http://s244.photobucket.com/user/tpribors/media/2009-03-14%20CSX2052/DSC_3287cropped.jpg.html]

CS 2589:



2589 was in a private album that I changed so I'll have to check after I post if the link works.

If these are "aftermarket" I'm disappointed.

[computerworks]

They are.

Nice photos.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Well, actually I do own an original Shelby, so that blows your theory out of the water. Ask why CSX Continuation cars Re shut out of pebble beach or other such prestigious events. Or why Continuation series cars Re parked seperatly from CSX2000/3000 cars at other events. It is most certainly not done out of envy.

Truth s told I find more continuation series cars with a chip on their shoulders because there cars are not treated as equals to the CSX2000/3000 series cars. Perhaps because they bought in to the hype that SAI dished out while they were selling them. Expecting them to become the next overnight quality investment and double in value.

Bill S.

Talk about misleading! Really, please do enligthen us as to your CSX#.

Oh, you mean you own an original Shelby Mustang? Oh, yes thats exactly like a Cobra. Silly me.

Actually, your wrong. There are no Continuation owners that I know of that have issues with the fact there cars are not put in the same category as the originals at any show. I don't know of a single Continuation Cobra owner that would expect there cars to be accepted into shows such as Pebble beach. You make yourself look ridiculous with statements like that.

If anything the bulk of the issue seems to be voiced by those that don't own Shelby Cobras. Funny isn't it? Seems to me that many non Shelby owners would love for Continuation owners to be self deprecating as to what they own and just simply say "no and leave it at that" when asked if what they own is a real Cobra. That clearly brings the Shelby down in the same category as their car. Perfect, right?

Continuation owners aren't allowed to say their cars are "original" that would be a sin and a lie. Continuation owners can't say their Cobras are real either. Oh, no thats misleading and even saying they are Continuation Series Cobras creates too much confusion in the mind of the little boy with sticky fingers eating his ice cream cone. Can't have that either. All Continuation owners have left to do is "just say no" to the "is it real question" and hang their head in sadness.

I am throwing out my World Registry now. It has misguided me. Alas, It's words are hollow and meaningless. It has no weight. It is given no respect especially here on the worlds largest "unbiased" Cobra site (). I was duped at the SAAC convention when told it was the "Bible" of all things Cobra. Can I get a refund?

I should have saved substantial sums and just kept my ERA. All that effort and I still can't even say I have a real Cobra.

Anyone want to trade even up for a nice ERA?

One thing is intrigueing though as to the "AC Cobras" that don't carry that silly little Shelby plaque we see on those Shelby you know "replicas"... Last I read Shelby was the manufacturer of record of the Cobra in the 60's just like today and AC sold Cobras under agreement and license from SAI. The AC Cobras never touched any Shelby facility. So...seems like the Continuation Cobra (you know that "replica" one) has more Shelby DNA then the original AC Cobras.

Just a thought.

Good night.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

One thing is intrigueing though as to the AC Cobras. Last I read Shelby was the manufacturer of record of the Cobra in the 60's just like today and AC sold Cobras under agreement and license from SAI which never touched any Shelby facility. So...seems like the Continuation Cobra have more Shelby DNA then the original AC Cobras.

I have a factually correct reply to that ridiculous statement that would make you look foolish.

But, I will hold off on it, because you are doing just fine by yourself.

[REAL 1]

List all the COB and COX that where finished at Shelby American in the States.

Enlighten us.

[4pipes]

The real nice continuation cars also have Kirkham DNA.

[LMH]

Seems to me that in the states at least, there is an effort to distance Shelby from AC. There wouldn't have been the Cobra w/o AC. The cars were constructed at AC. The bodies built in England. Assembly was done in England. The chassis manual states that the Cobra is built and designed by AC with the engine and transmission installed in America. Shelby was responsible for the conception of the car and installing the drive train.
So why this effort to remove or lesson AC from the Cobra? I don't get it.
Larry

[fordracing65]

If it can race as a historical vehicle in vintage racing as a Cobra...

[rodneym]

Originally Posted by Jamo

We finally settled on as good a reason as anything else to let it go forward...there was nuthin else going on.

That's pretty obvious.

The threads about running temp, carbs, billboards, etc. are just filler.

THIS is what brings out the passion.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Actually, your wrong. There are no Continuation owners that I know of that have issues with the fact there cars are not put in the same category as the originals at any show. I don't know of a single Continuation Cobra owner that would expect there cars to be accepted into shows such as Pebble beach. You make yourself look ridiculous with statements like that.

Oh Evan, you need to come out to the LVSAAC events some time, where you will meet a certain CSX4000 series owner who's tales about his car get better and better each time he shows it. First it started out that the car was produced and hand built by CS himself, then that his supercharged engine was hand built by CS and that he has turned down 2.5M for his car several times over. While his car is indeed beautiful (as is yours), it was not built in the 60's, nor was it hand built by CS. At a meet in Hershey, he was overseen arguing with the staff about the pedigree of his car, waving a copy of his MSO (signed by CS) as "proof" of what the car was. I have "personally" witnessed at least 11 other "Continuation Series" owners across the county who have acted in a similar nature. Drinking the CS Koolaid of the time period and hoping their "Tardis" was in working order.

As for an ERA trade for a CSX, funny, but I knew someone with a beautiful yellow ERA once who lost a simple, local Mustang Club car show to an equally beautiful (but cleaner and more detailed) Factory Five Cobra. To show his disgust (and perhaps lack of better judgement), in the middle of the awards presentation (after he lost ), he fired up his yellow chariot and proceed to do a large burnout out of the parking lot and on to RT10 west in Randolph, NJ, making a fool out of himself in the process(in front of 200+ witnesses of all age groups). Rumor has it he sold the car soon afterwards and ordered a jet black CSX4000 series in aluminum so that this never happened again..........


Bill S.

PS: The names have been removed to protect the guilty

[Tutosnake]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Oh Evan, you need to come out to the LVSAAC events some time, where you will meet a certain CSX4000 series owner who's tales about his car get better and better each time he shows it. First it started out that the car was produced and hand built by CS himself, then that his supercharged engine was hand built by CS and that he has turned down 2.5M for his car several times over. While his car is indeed beautiful (as is yours), it was not built in the 60's, nor was it hand built by CS. At a meet in Hershey, he was overseen arguing with the staff about the pedigree of his car, waving a copy of his MSO (signed by CS) as "proof" of what the car was. I have "personally" witnessed at least 11 other "Continuation Series" owners across the county who have acted in a similar nature. Drinking the CS Koolaid of the time period and hoping their "Tardis" was in working order.

As for an ERA trade for a CSX, funny, but I knew someone with a beautiful yellow ERA once who lost a simple, local Mustang Club car show to an equally beautiful (but cleaner and more detailed) Factory Five Cobra. To show his disgust (and perhaps lack of better judgement), in the middle of the awards presentation (after he lost ), he fired up his yellow chariot and proceed to do a large burnout out of the parking lot and on to RT10 west in Randolph, NJ, making a fool out of himself in the process(in front of 200+ witnesses of all age groups). Rumor has it he sold the car soon afterwards and ordered a jet black CSX4000 series in aluminum so that this never happened again..........


Bill S.

PS: The names have been removed to protect the guilty

I'm so new at this. It is becoming more and more clear to me that a number of CSX continuation car owners bought their car for the wrong reason(s). If the above described behavior is true, then it is only understandable that CSX continuation owners may come across as arrogant, self serving, self grandiose, impostors. That type of behavior should be reprimandable in forums like this... With name and everything!
However I will challenge that those are rare birds. Maybe you know 12 because you're so active in the Shelby circle, attending events left and right. But I bet someone like me may meet one or two my entire life with my Cobra and I will call them out!
It is then my position that just because there are some jerks out there, pretending to be what they are not, it does not mean I and the guys here are in the same group. We are responsible owners telling some facts that do not deviate from the standard set forth by SAI and SAAC. We want to enjoy our experience as much as the other guy.
With that, I'm out of this one (hopefully )
Tuto