Replica owners: How do you respond to "what year is it?"

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by bret a ewing

What's so hard about that?

It requires you to face reality and tell the truth.

[REAL 1]

Hey Bill not sure what your point is but I have no problem talking to owners of original Cobras. Have done so on a number of occasions. They are not "Gods" nor are they "special". They are fortunate enough to own original Cobras and were either in the right place at the right time or had/have enough money to pay for one.

They have Shelby Cobras just like mine except mine is continuation series and their is an original series!!! LOL.

Any owners of originals that have issues with this and SAAC's position and look to demean the Continuation series are the one with the insecurity issues.

Oh, and your "clever" use of the "component car" term is also misused so to imply what you would like it too..i.e. "kit" or "replica". You know full well why SAI picked that term. Bill, if you have a Registry, a current one that is I would suggest you read it 'SLOWLY' since you apparently have a comprehension issue. Go slow or read out loud...that helps. Also take a look at the operative section here under definitions on page 30. Again read it slow and out loud. It will also help if you read the Introduction section as to the purpose of the Registry. Again, go slow.

Any questions PM me I'll be glad to help.

Last I checked every car is a component car since they are all made of components including the originals.

; )

[patrickt]

Evan, wouldn't it be easier to just buy an original Cobra? <Seriously.>

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Evan, wouldn't it be easier to just buy an original Cobra? <Seriously.>

Nah, this is way too much fun!!!

[PSB]

I guess I'll stick with "replica of a 1966" or if I feel like confusin 'em I'll say "2003".

The third most asked question I get is "is it a Factory Five?"


Pete

[bret a ewing]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Hey Bill not sure what your point is but I have no problem talking to owners of original Cobras. Have done so on a number of occasions. They are not "Gods" nor are they "special". They are fortunate enough to own original Cobras and were either in the right place at the right time or had/have enough money to pay for one.

They have Shelby Cobras just like mine except mine is continuation series and their is an original series!!! LOL.

Any owners of originals that have issues with this and SAAC's position and look to demean the Continuation series are the one with the insecurity issues.

Oh, and your "clever" use of the "component car" term is also misused so to imply what you would like it too..i.e. "kit" or "replica". You know full well why SAI picked that term. Bill, if you have a Registry, a current one that is I would suggest you read it 'SLOWLY' since you apparently have a comprehension issue. Go slow or read out loud...that helps. Also take a look at the operative section here under definitions on page 30. Again read it slow and out loud. It will also help if you read the Introduction section as to the purpose of the Registry. Again, go slow.

Any questions PM me I'll be glad to help.

Last I checked every car is a component car since they are all made of components including the originals.

; )

Sir, I believe I see your point in terms of Shelby produced products. Both vintage automobiles and currently sold CSX vehicles are Shelby.

The key difference however is not defined by Shelby or even SAAC, but by the
(27 Jun 2013, Edited for accuracy): Under Secretary of Commerce for Transportation (vs the DOT)
produced and sold their cars through the Ford Dealer Network already certified for highway use.
( Ford's new-gen GT500 is similar in philosophy to the '68 through '70 Shelbys,ie: Shelby in name only - not touched by Shelby employees)
Another example is the the '05 - '06 Ford GT , it certainly has DNA linage to the original homologated street GT40's, and it's a complete car produced by Ford.
So the Shelby's last vehicle certified for DOT use was the Series I, period.

The CSX cars of the last 20 years are/were sold as incomplete units, by law. Shelby chooses to call them "component vehicles"- some were even purchased in "less-than-roller" configuration to be finished by the owner/shop. It doesn't make the Shelby part/component any less authentic Shelby, it's just not a "complete operating vehicle" as was the case in the '60's. So whether kit, replica or various other descriptors are used the inference is to the incomplete nature of the vehicle, that's all, no big deal.

Best, Bret.

[JBCOBRA]

Hi Real1
What year is your car? When was it built?

[CCRsAC]

Originally Posted by JBCOBRA

Hi Real1
What year is your car? When was it built?

And by what company and where?

By the way Evan, my fake is way faker than your fake. So there, nyah.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by bret a ewing

Sir, I believe I see your point in terms of Shelby produced products. Both vintage automobiles and currently sold CSX vehicles are Shelby.

The key difference however is not defined by Shelby or even SAAC, but by the DOT. Originally, Shelby (and AC), the "Automobile Manufacturer", produced and sold their cars through the Ford Dealer Network already certified for DOT use.
( Ford's new-gen GT500 is similar in philosophy to the '68 through '70 Shelbys,ie: Shelby in name only - not touched by Shelby employees)
Another example is the the '05 - '06 Ford GT , it certainly has DNA linage to the original homologated street GT40's, and it's a complete car produced by Ford.
So the Shelby's last vehicle certified for DOT use was the Series I, period.

The CSX cars of the last 20 years are/were sold as incomplete units, by law. Shelby chooses to call them "component vehicles"- some were even purchased in "less-than-roller" configuration to be finished by the owner/shop. It doesn't make the Shelby part/component any less authentic Shelby, it's just not a "complete operating vehicle" as was the case in the '60's. So whether kit, replica or various other descriptors are used the inference is to the incomplete nature of the vehicle, that's all, no big deal.

Best, Bret.

Another circular discussion. Evan will quote from the SAAC Registry and then we start all over again.

I still like my terminology of recognizing the latest Shelby Cobras (post 1960's) as "true replicas." And only aluminum bodies qualify for the "true replica" designation.

[D-CEL]

Originally Posted by CCRsAC

And by what company and where?

By the way Evan, my fake is way faker than your fake. So there, nyah.

That is dam funny!!

Jason

[REAL 1]

Hey CCRsAC/Jason. I agree! It would be since mine is not fake.

Bret: You are correct, however, the DOT did not start to operate until 1967/68. Regulations in effect when SAI restarted in the 1990's made it impossible for them to produce a car like they had been done in 1962-1968 as a complete unit ready for the road. Most here on this site understand that but nevertheless some still use the legal inability of Shelby to complete an operating Cobra today to their advantage to make disingenuous arguments regarding "kit", "Component car" etc.. No manufacturer could ever make a Cobra or any other car like it as a complete ready to drive car today as it would be laughed off of the DOT safety testing grounds immediately.

Shelby was the manufacturer of record in the 1960s for the Shelby Cobras just as it is today. Also both in the 60's and for current production Cobras other suppliers supplied the rolling chassis and body. AC in the 60's and Kirkham today (for the most part as to aluminum Shelbys). This also answers CCRsAC's question.

JBCobra: The answer to your question is in the World Registry of Cobras and GT40s. If you own a copy look it up. To help you out the car is a 2001 Continuation series Shelby Cobra or a 2001 current production Shelby Cobra if you like that better.

Rodknock: According to Webster's (I shouldn't say this as it will lead to more confusion here in the Muppet peanut gallery) you are technically correct as it is a faith reproduction of the original from the original creator. How could it be a Cobra if it was not built to Cobra specs??? By definition it has to be the same as the original series. Duh.

[JBCOBRA]

Thank you Real
What does the registration state?
2001? Or 1965. 66 etc...

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

They are not "Gods" nor are they "special". They are fortunate enough to own original Cobras and were either in the right place at the right time or had/have enough money to pay for one.

They have Shelby Cobras just like mine except mine is continuation series and their is an original series!!! LOL.

snipped for clarity

[bret a ewing]

JBCobra


The listing on the title/registration can vary from....Examples: 196x Ford ( +/-conv), 196x Shelby (+/- Conv), 196x Shelby Cobra (+/- conv), it will differ from to state by state classifications for replicas and specially constructed vehicles, California uses a SP100 designation.
Some will pull a clean junkyard title and use that, other will set up a registration in a "soft State" and transfer later....I've heard.

But more importatly, a CSX "Statement of Origin For a CSX4000 Series Component Vehicle" will have one date listed, mm/dd/yyyy. That date is the invoice date for the "new CSX4000 Series Component Vehicle consisting of parts and components listed on (this) invoice".
Also listed is the invoice number as well as the Trade Name: Shelby Cobra 427, Series: CSX4000, Model Year: 1965, Chassis No: CSX4xxx and body type is: 2 Dr. Roadster.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

snipped for clarity

Just what this thread needs, its own brit milah.

[CCRsAC]

I guess if you have a "real," gen-u-ine, Shelby-branded continuation Cobra, built before May 10, 2012, whether by Kirkham or Hi-Tech Automotive, don't forget (spittle flying as you work up a good lather) to educate everyone you can on the fact that it was built back when Shel' himself was at the reins, not like now when it's just another faceless corporation. Then, lean in close and intimate like so they can smell the hoagie you had for lunch and tell them quietly, as if it's just between a couple of car-guys in the know (not like those "civilians" wandering around), that the Old Man was rumored to have put a wrench to each car just to make sure it had a little piece of him and his legacy. And you just have to inform your rube (ahem... I mean "civilian") "Why, don'tcha know, he even sneezed or coughed on them every now and again." And how, "those cars, lucky b*st*rds, have his honest-to-goodness DNA right on them and are just about sure to be collectors items or, at the very least, to be the ones that everybody wants (so long as the owners never wash them... they have make sure they only wipe them with a chamois occasionally as authorized in 'the bible')."

[CCRsAC]

Originally Posted by D-CEL

That is dam funny!!

Jason

Nah, that's not funny...

Funny is the fact that if Evan and I were to attend the same show with our cars, they'd park us together...

Even funnier is that most people couldn't tell the difference between his "real" one and my rattle-trap collection of old, used Mustang parts slapped together out back o' my barn (only on rainy days, though, so's everything gets good an' rusty... um, I mean so it shows a nice patina)...

And what's funniest is, although he'll never understand why or admit it, he actually shares a trait with my car.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by bret a ewing

JBCobra


The listing on the title/registration can vary from....Examples: 196x Ford ( +/-conv), 196x Shelby (+/- Conv), 196x Shelby Cobra (+/- conv), it will differ from to state by state classifications for replicas and specially constructed vehicles, California uses a SP100 designation.
Some will pull a clean junkyard title and use that, other will set up a registration in a "soft State" and transfer later....I've heard.

But more importatly, a CSX "Statement of Origin For a CSX4000 Series Component Vehicle" will have one date listed, mm/dd/yyyy. That date is the invoice date for the "new CSX4000 Series Component Vehicle consisting of parts and components listed on (this) invoice".
Also listed is the invoice number as well as the Trade Name: Shelby Cobra 427, Series: CSX4000, Model Year: 1965, Chassis No: CSX4xxx and body type is: 2 Dr. Roadster.

And if anyone here would know what a CSX4000 series MSO looks like, it would be you

Bill S.

[Jaydee]

Is it real?
Yes, it's really good!
JD

[CoolCarl]

I give them 3 years.

I say it's a replica of a 66' cobra with a 1990 engine in it and that it was built in 2002.