Aluminum Body Shelby Continuation rollers $160,000.00

[bret a ewing]

Have owned 2 watches in the last 25 years. Gave the Sub to my Father I.L. after 15 years and have been using a Daytona ever since. Every single day - work, play, sports, even wrenching, you name it. Most people have the bling preception of ownership, but these things are tough SOB's.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Looking at the roller list, how much are baer brakes, halibrand wheels, leaf springs, tires, bucket seats, carpet, frame, roll bar, wooden steering wheel, Smith gauges, mirrors? U buy these identical parts from a store and they don't add up to $25K.

2 year wait+++ is a long time! People get sick, move, divorce, go broke, find other toys, lose patience, etc. Do buyers lose their 50% deposit if they back out?

After the body/frame is complete, the rest of the Cobra is not hard to assemble. I can install front and rear suspension in 2-3 work days(8 hrs a day), and u don't need to be a Cobra specialist. Fact: my buddy purchased a Shelby Mustang Snake from Shelby Inc. and the Shelby Tech who assembled his Mustang also works on Cobras (when or if they ever arrive at the Vegas shop). Look past nostalgia. These Cobras are not complicated to build and build quickly.

At least FFR got their philosophy and budget correct; these cars are for hobbyists, a niche market, and they should be reasonably priced to continue the hobby.

SAI makes Cobras with 60 year old parts and charges 3X or 4X their actual cost, a 2 year wait, and they give u a hot rod authenticated with Shelby's name and Cobra badges? With all due respect to the Shelby legacy and family, the exclusivity brand is not worth $160K++, not with the build parts and depreciation drop once the car leaves the showroom.(Is there a warranty for a roller?)

nyg

Things are worth what you can get. Thats supply and demand. Thats capitalism. Sounds like you want all these cars priced so they are affordable to the masses. Kinda like a "peoples car" right? Liberals/Progressives can take that desire and move to North Korea. That's the utopian socialistic state.

Moreover, your statements reveal your ignorance of the hobby. There are multiple Cobra replicas (SAAC's definition) available at $20K in kit form. You can buy a completed car for under $30K. How much less did you want them priced?

Oh, you want Shelbys price at $30K? You don't like their business model?. Write them a note. You think they are overpriced? Don't buy one. The wait is way too long? Don't buy one.

They use 60 year old parts? Really? Oh, you mean antiquated design? Well if you are continuing to produce a car that is 60 years old in design how else would you do it? In fact they have improved where they could in materials. Kirkham has improved aspects too but overall if you are continuing to build a 60 year old car your parameters are limited. No?

You think the options list for a Shelby Cobra are too expensive? Don't buy them from Shelby and install yourself.

Cobra replicas are easy to build? How many builds have you completed and what? If you build cars for a living every day its easy after a while. Anythings easier if you know how. A car, even one as simple as a Cobra or replica of one is very difficult to construct. You clearly have no clue of whats involved. It takes hours and hours of patience, mechanical and electrical know how and skill and elbow grease. Again, how many cars have you built?

News flash. This entire hobby from originals down to FFRs is a niche'. The % of people that know about these cars and car is infinitesimal compared to the overall population. Unfortunately, techno geeks are the wave of the future that lust for Prius's and over pay for sneakers. So I do agree with the notion that the Cobra value and industry will likely die out but I believe it will be from originals down to FFRs many years from now. Unfortunately there will not remain enough interest in these cars. When that goes even the originals will be old pieces of junk that no one will have an interest in. Could likely happen.

Shelbys are 3-4x cost? Really? Where are you getting your data? Even if they are, whats the issue with this? Supply and demand. If they don't sell prices will drop. If they are desired and supply is limited price rise. Not a socialist model I know but thats how it works here in the U.S. at least for now. Another Obama and were done.

In fact, What was the profit margin on your Prius? What was the profit margin on your overpriced sneaker collection? (Sneaker collection? Really). Whats the profit margin on a FFR? Are you just trolling and speaking out your arse or do you have facts and data? Please enlighten us. Your semi retired from Facebook? What was your profit margin? You clearly retired way to fast. Clearly way too much.

Shelbys are just a hotrod authenticated by Shelby? Your correct actually. So were the original series. No difference. Fabricators changed thats the bulk of it. The Cobra was the ultimate hot rod. So are the replicas of it. In fact the replicas have helped keep the hobby alive and Cobra alive for 45 years.

Rodknock is correct and finally citing correctly to authoritative text. Kirkhams are considered Cobras for numerous reasons. Do you even have a Registry? Do you even know what one looks like?

Whats the point of openning a garage and seeing Cobra replica hot rod you ask? A FFR, BDR, Kirk is no more a Cobra than your Nissan or Prius or whatever rice burner/battery powered flashlight your driving you say? A Cobra is a Cobra. A replica of one is at least replicating one in looks and likely performance and the character and spirit of what the car was. It is a celebration of history and American accomplishment. You obviously have no clue what the hobby is all about.

Which would get your pulse going faster after seeing the garage door rising a Cobra replica or a Prius? I know what my answer is. Guys who collect sneakers obviously not so much.

Stick to sneakers cause you are clearly clueless when it comes to Cobras and replicas.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Asking $40,000 more for a used Shelby Cobra with self-admitted road rash? That's Ripley's Believe-it-or-not territory. My Kirkham, which was "detailed" by noted Cobra Restorer Stewart Hall of Hall Fabrication, is on sale right now at $199,000. Please submit your offers now, before I change my mind.

Let me know when there's an actual published sale of any Shelby Cobra Continuation over $200K.

Well believe it or not those are the facts. Already told you what I had my car sold for years ago. Already told you I had interest on more than one occassion in the car for over $200K.

Just had my Cobra priced out in detail if I were to do again today by Billy Andrews at HRE. $245K.

Yep. Believe it or not! Your disbelief or belief doesn't alter the reality of what I just advised you.

Oh, and please specify how I "abuse" the Registry. If I am not quoting exactly I am referring the reader to it. I note you referred to the Registry above. Were you "using" it or "abusing" it?

[AL427SBF]

All very interesting, no question you are overly concerned about the value of your csx continuation otherwise why solicit a 3rd party appraisal. No matter, the truth is your car is worth what the market will bare and until you actually post a published sale of any Shelby Cobra Continuation over $200K you are just winging it, as in hoping on a wing and a prayer, that your perceived value is true. Using your own criteria for credibility, where's the data to back it up?
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[buddyg]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

This statement is either made by someone who's a troll or delusional.

1. Our Cobra's are no more of a Cobra than your Nissan? Come on. Really? You truly believe that nonsense. That's just down right moronic or troll-like. And if you believed that nonsense, then why the F do you want to buy another Nissan shaped like a Cobra (just an entirely different shape)? Sorry, IMO, pure stupidity.

2. The SAAC World Registry, the "authoritiative" text that Evan uses/abuses, lists Kirkham's and actually calls them a Kirkham Cobra.

3. If the Cobra market crashes, then a) the stock, bond and real estate markets will have likely crashed too and b) there will be buyers for everything at a discount. Also, the markets have crashed regularly since 1929, where are prices today? If you're waiting for a $25,000 SPF, then you'll die an old man, who NEVER owned a Cobra.

4. "...what lesson are you teaching your children, family, by opening your garage and showing them a hot rod cobra? "Kids, stay in school, get a job, work hard and some day, u can buy a hot rod...shaped like a Cobra?"

What's your thinking here? What are you saying? Please don't preach to others about educating their children. This is probably the worse statement you've uttered here on CC IMO. You're telling us how we should or shouldn't teach (values, no less) our children? Am I speaking to Arne Duncan, the U.S. Secretary of Education? Or did he resign and someone nominate you? Please just stop.

I was going to respond to his nonsense but I agree with everything you said.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Well believe it or not those are the facts. Already told you what I had my car sold for years ago. Already told you I had interest on more than one occassion in the car for over $200K.

Just had my Cobra priced out in detail if I were to do again today by Billy Andrews at HRE. $245K.

Yep. Believe it or not! Your disbelief or belief doesn't alter the reality of what I just advised you.

Oh, and please specify how I "abuse" the Registry. If I am not quoting exactly I am referring the reader to it. I note you referred to the Registry above. Were you "using" it or "abusing" it?

Abuse - The improper or excessive use or treatment.

Fact - A thing done. "Interest" and "offers" are NOT "a thing done." The reality is your car and mine are still in their respective garages at home.

I have not seen one sale of a CSX4000 over $200K that has been published. Until I see a published sale or a bank wire transfer to an owner's bank account, I don't believe it. Hillbank is offering a BRAND NEW (2008) CSX4000 for $199,000. I'm sure it has and will continue to sit.

If we're comparing apples-to-apples, if I bought a BRAND NEW Kirkham, optioned it similarly to what I have now, and had Hall Fab put it together, then my OTD price would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $175,000. But so what? My car's value is not $175,000.

[stephen_becker]

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[stephen_becker]

Originally Posted by jamo

now just where in the hell do you think you are that you think you can get off using that kind of language around here?

:lol:

[twobjshelbys]

Why does this ALWAYS happen? A monthly diatribe about "is it real or is it memorex" used to be amusing, but now there is one of these going on almost continuously, sometime more than one at a time. ALL OF THIS AND THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAT HASN'T BEEN SAID IN EVERY ONE OF THE OTHER SAME DISCUSSIONS!

It's not a TV rerun, it's like remaking GODZILLA every other day. Different words, different actors (same characters) and nothing changes - the monster rises from the ocean, the monster attacks, the monster dies. Lather rinse repeat.

Stop calling this the "unbiased cobra site", tell all the Shelby Cobra Continuation guys to go away since you hate us so much anyway, and everyone will be happier. Clearly there is bias AGAINST continuation owners. I used to laugh, now I just groan.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Why does this ALWAYS happen? A monthly diatribe about "is it real or is it memorex" used to be amusing, but now there is one of these going on almost continuously, sometime more than one at a time. ALL OF THIS AND THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAT HASN'T BEEN SAID IN EVERY ONE OF THE OTHER SAME DISCUSSIONS!

It's not a TV rerun, it's like remaking GODZILLA every other day. Different words, different actors (same characters) and nothing changes - the monster rises from the ocean, the monster attacks, the monster dies. Lather rinse repeat.

Stop calling this the "unbiased cobra site", tell all the Shelby Cobra Continuation guys to go away since you hate us so much anyway, and everyone will be happier. Clearly there is bias AGAINST continuation owners. I used to laugh, now I just groan.

I don't have any bias or hate towards CSX Continuation (replica) owners. I do have a distaste for Nissan electric car owners that want to question our ability to educate our children, especially when the garage door opens.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I don't have any bias or hate towards CSX Continuation (replica) owners. I do have a distaste for Nissan electric car owners that want to question our ability to educate our children, especially when the garage door opens.

On This We Can Agree!!!! And to those who think electric cars are a solution need to be reminded that it costs more using fossil fuels to produce electricity remotely to power a vehicle than to consume the energy locally.

But Tree Huggers Don't Understand Physics.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

All very interesting, no question you are overly concerned about the value of your csx continuation otherwise why solicit a 3rd party appraisal. No matter, the truth is your car is worth what the market will bare and until you actually post a published sale of any Shelby Cobra Continuation over $200K you are just winging it, as in hoping on a wing and a prayer, that your perceived value is true. Using your own criteria for credibility, where's the data to back it up?
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The Data. Lets start with a rolling chassis at $160,000.00 before tax. Lets then go to a 2 year wait. Then lets proceed to a detailed and quality authentic build out. You think you are getting into that aluminum Continuation Shelby for less than $200K?

My data? The detailed appraisal and statement recently received setting out in detail with costs what it would take to re-do CSX4206 today from HRE/Billy Andrews. Why solicit a "third party appraisal" ? I have the car insured for an agreed value. Carrier has all the documentation on the car and understands what it is. There is no way I can duplicate my car today as it sits for less than $240,000.00 I was clearly advised this by Billy Andrews at HRE who is very familiar with my Cobra and knows it inside and out. He laid it out in writing in detail. Not winging it.

However, I'm not selling it. But I have had interest expressed to acquire at over $200K on more than one occasion and an owner of a near identical car out of HRE turned down $250K. Had my car sold in or about 2004/5 for $145,000.00 as I recall. I backed out of the deal.

But whatever you say. I'm "winging it". Ok.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Abuse - The improper or excessive use or treatment.

Fact - A thing done. "Interest" and "offers" are NOT "a thing done." The reality is your car and mine are still in their respective garages at home.

I have not seen one sale of a CSX4000 over $200K that has been published. Until I see a published sale or a bank wire transfer to an owner's bank account, I don't believe it. Hillbank is offering a BRAND NEW (2008) CSX4000 for $199,000. I'm sure it has and will continue to sit.

If we're comparing apples-to-apples, if I bought a BRAND NEW Kirkham, optioned it similarly to what I have now, and had Hall Fab put it together, then my OTD price would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $175,000. But so what? My car's value is not $175,000.

Improper use? Really? How so? Be specific please.
Excessive? Excessive is relative. My use is a direct corollary to the amount of CC BS spewed.

True. I have not sold my Cobra. I don't have plans to. Did have it sold but backed out 10 years ago to buy a FGT. Have had interest in the car from others in last year or so. Numbers they were willing to pay were over $200K. I was not selling nor am I now. Yes. I agree completed sales is was sets the market. I am just pointing out the interest and the extent expressed. The Hillbank car is not in the same league as CSX4206 in detail. Nice but not in the same orbit.

If there is a long wait for new Kirkhams and someone wants your car and pays $175K that's what it's worth. Supply and demand remember?

[bret a ewing]

Sigh.......

[mullen2]

Been reading this thread and it is interesting all the different opinions.

I have owned a Kirkham and also own a CSX car. In my opinion a aluminum CSX car is not a replica of a cobra. The way I look at it it was built at Shelby's Factory, has his vin number so it is a Shelby Cobra no doubt.

Rolex has been making the Submariner for may years and I can still buy a new one from them at a high price. Yes, many others make replicas of the Submariner but I want a genuine watch from Rolex with paperwork backing it up. I feel the same about my Cobra. Again, in my opinion, the cars with original Carroll Shelby paperwork that were built while he was still living at his factory by his employees are the most collectable and in my opinion are Real Shelby Cobras.

A Kirkham cobra is a "Kirkham Cobra"
A Shelby Cobra is A "Shelby Cobra"
A FFR Cobra is a "FFR Cobra"

[Jamo]

Dos shelbys...hombre...at least I got it down to one freeking thread so the front page isn't filled with polls and the same arguments in numerous threads.

Even trying to hijack the damn thing...what kind of watch are you wearing?

That being said, I'm reading the same stuff over and over again...NYG has evidently nothing new to offer and stopped posting. Evan's having to answer the same questions put to him countless times, so obviously his answer's going to be the same. Becker's offered up some informed info, which helped.

This one's going to end soon...and there will not be any more allowed to start it up again.

mullen...good logic stated efficiently.

[Jamo]

By the way...

[OnyxRider]

Here's something new.....wait Jamo....


Someone is buying big American V-8's and shoe-horning them into lightweight British cars! Oh I bet you heard that before.

But the V-8 is the "thundering" 6.6 GM Duramax diesel. Top speed of 190mph+ and get more than 50mpg. (not at 190)

2000 miles on a tank of gas.

I copied the print...most of the above not my words.

www.tridentsportscars.com


Wonder if that price of 160,000. is a watch thrown in the deal.

Not sure but heard you can get a roller in as little as 4-5 months. Not sure what model though from SAI.


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[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Even trying to hijack the damn thing...what kind of watch are you wearing?

A Timex Iron Man digital watch with two time zones and alarms. Costs about $12 on Amazon.com and lasts as long as the battery by which time the plastic band is also breaking. Two years or so. I used to buy watches, but now I'm in the "daily driver" mode on them. I have toys with V8s not springs

mullen...good logic stated efficiently.

Yep

^^And I could have used lots of words to agree, but to be efficient, I didn't.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

The Data. Lets start with a rolling chassis at $160,000.00 before tax. Lets then go to a 2 year wait. Then lets proceed to a detailed and quality authentic build out. You think you are getting into that aluminum Continuation Shelby for less than $200K?

My data? The detailed appraisal and statement recently received setting out in detail with costs what it would take to re-do CSX4206 today from HRE/Billy Andrews. Why solicit a "third party appraisal" ? I have the car insured for an agreed value. Carrier has all the documentation on the car and understands what it is. There is no way I can duplicate my car today as it sits for less than $240,000.00 I was clearly advised this by Billy Andrews at HRE who is very familiar with my Cobra and knows it inside and out. He laid it out in writing in detail. Not winging it.

However, I'm not selling it. But I have had interest expressed to acquire at over $200K on more than one occasion and an owner of a near identical car out of HRE turned down $250K. Had my car sold in or about 2004/5 for $145,000.00 as I recall. I backed out of the deal.

But whatever you say. I'm "winging it". Ok.

"Interest" expressed a decade ago and an appraisal = Data? Most of us here know that "interest" and appraisals are worthless. I know the appraisal process very well (businesses, real estate, cars, etc.) as I'm sure you do. Educated guesses performed by uneducated people.

All I'm asking for is published sales where money actually moved between two unrelated entities or people. Everything else is pure nonsense in my part of the universe. I'll keep scouring my auction magazine (Sports Car Market) each month and will let you know when one does sell for $200K+.

There's a brand new alloy CSX4000 sitting at Hillbank for $199,000. Make them an offer, buy it, and then flip it for a profit. You could make a profit of 10-20%, which when annualized is an outstanding ROI.