My clutch price was based off me doing the work. A new pressure plate and friction element is $350. Flywheel can be resurfaced. My labor hrs are free. I spoke to my buddy he had $3500 in Porsche parts but that included a new flywheel for $900. I have never had to replace a clutch but get the summit catalog and see the price of the parts. Let see I paid Lexus $1900 for valve cover gasekts, and timing belt. I paid them because I dont want to screw with a Lexus due to the the multitude of electrical connectors i always break etc. To remove the valve covers on a Lexus you have to remove the coil packs, throttle body, intake pipe and about 60 bolts and screws, on a Cobra its 5 screws!!!
Hey if you want to pay me $80K plus for a roller like Kirkham I will give you customer service only a 21 year old playboy bunny could compete with!!!
My clutch price was based off me doing the work. A new pressure plate and friction element is $350. Flywheel can be resurfaced. My labor hrs are free. I spoke to my buddy he had $3500 in Porsche parts but that included a new flywheel for $900. I have never had to replace a clutch but get the summit catalog and see the price of the parts. Let see I paid Lexus $1900 for valve cover gasekts, and timing belt. I paid them because I dont want to screw with a Lexus due to the the multitude of electrical connectors i always break etc. To remove the valve covers on a Lexus you have to remove the coil packs, throttle body, intake pipe and about 60 bolts and screws, on a Cobra its 5 screws!!!
Hey if you want to pay me $80K plus for a roller like Kirkham I will give you customer service only a 21 year old playboy bunny could compete with!!!
Parts for a "new clutch" will be around $300-500 (OR MORE depending on the clutch), plus at minimum resurfacing of the flywheel for $75-100 at the machine shop. That's no labor on the actual clutch install. So $400 to $600 before the labor kicks in. A new clutch+labor should be budgeted for roughly $800. Hopefully less.
Now a new trans on a 10k mile car that was driven by some old guy that grinds gears constantly or who rests his arm on the shifter non-stop is another grand for a rebuild.
Then the rear diff that's shot from doing half-assed burnouts. There goes another $300 in parts or more with fluid plus labor. Lets call it $500.
New tires, not some used rubber from the junkyard or 1960's tech tires, but good tires, mounting and balancing at a shop that doesn't scratch the wheel and who can deal with knockoffs properly, there goes another $1200.
Replace various bushings and suspension components as needed, $500 with labor.
THe oil pan is leaking after 10k miles. New gasket + oil change at $250.
Carb needs a thorough rebuild and tuning after putting crap ethanol fuel in it. Another $300. Just tuning for better driveability will get you close to that $300 number.
Brake job, just the pads, we will spare the rotors this time, $250.
An annoying squeak that needs to be tracked down, $50. It was an easy fix.
Why is the fuel gauge not working? Well, there goes another $250 with the sending unit replacement.
All of the above can and should at least be CONSIDERED and BUDGETED for at 10,000 miles on these cars. Sorry, that's the truth. Search the Superformance, Backdraft, hell, any forum and look at the problems that creep up.
It's great that you could never possibly see putting $5,000 in to one of these cars upon purchasing, but you are avoiding reality for what many owners will face when purchasing a relatively high(er) mileage Cobra/kit/replica/classic/etc. Labor will obviously vary upon region/area. The $5,000 I suggested earlier was just a real rough number, but hopefully you at least realize why that number isn't all that far out there.
Parts for a "new clutch" will be around $300-500 (OR MORE depending on the clutch), plus at minimum resurfacing of the flywheel for $75-100 at the machine shop. That's no labor on the actual clutch install. So $400 to $600 before the labor kicks in. A new clutch+labor should be budgeted for roughly $800. Hopefully less.
Now a new trans on a 10k mile car that was driven by some old guy that grinds gears constantly or who rests his arm on the shifter non-stop is another grand for a rebuild.
Then the rear diff that's shot from doing half-assed burnouts. There goes another $300 in parts or more with fluid plus labor. Lets call it $500.
New tires, not some used rubber from the junkyard or 1960's tech tires, but good tires, mounting and balancing at a shop that doesn't scratch the wheel and who can deal with knockoffs properly, there goes another $1200.
Replace various bushings and suspension components as needed, $500 with labor.
THe oil pan is leaking after 10k miles. New gasket + oil change at $250.
Carb needs a thorough rebuild and tuning after putting crap ethanol fuel in it. Another $300. Just tuning for better driveability will get you close to that $300 number.
Brake job, just the pads, we will spare the rotors this time, $250.
An annoying squeak that needs to be tracked down, $50. It was an easy fix.
Why is the fuel gauge not working? Well, there goes another $250 with the sending unit replacement.
All of the above can and should at least be CONSIDERED and BUDGETED for at 10,000 miles on these cars. Sorry, that's the truth. Search the Superformance, Backdraft, hell, any forum and look at the problems that creep up.
It's great that you could never possibly see putting $5,000 in to one of these cars upon purchasing, but you are avoiding reality for what many owners will face when purchasing a relatively high(er) mileage Cobra/kit/replica/classic/etc. Labor will obviously vary upon region/area. The $5,000 I suggested earlier was just a real rough number, but hopefully you at least realize why that number isn't all that far out there.
Dude if you buy a car that has all those things go wrong with it in 10k miles either you need glasses or your name is hard luck Charlie....
Dude if you buy a car that has all those things go wrong with it in 10k miles either you need glasses or your name is hard luck Charlie....
Kevin.....
The trans is the only item on that list that would be unusual to fail so quickly on these cars. Of course, this is assuming that the car is actually driven more than half throttle. Not everyone idles around all 10k miles. And unfortunately, not everyone knows how to drive.
You can add water pump, fuel pump, odd electrical issues, cooling system, perhaps even major engine/oil consumption issues, etc to that list if you really wanted to.
Either way, if you are buying a 10k mile Cobra, they are items that one would most certainly want to BUDGET for. I'm not saying that those items WILL need to be addressed, just to make sure you budget under the assumption that they might need to be addressed.
Or tell someone to buy a car and promise them that nothing will be wrong with it and everything will be perfect.
(pretends first and second page of Superformance/Backdraft forum don't exist)
Do you care to elaborate on the 22 issues that needed sorting? It would be interesting to see what a shop would charge for 22 items. And 1.5 quarts in 3k miles isn't something that a new owner should at least investigate (even if it turns out to be "normal")?
I will list every prob I sorted. Bdr/SPF
1) turn signal mechanism wire pinched between column and dash
2) pinched ignition wire to ignition module - a biatch to find after 3 igniton modules fried
3) oil temp gauge - I May have broke
4) eratic tach reading -wired wrong
5) Ebrake adjustment-all cars
6) oil pressure drop under high rpm - mellon oil pump loose clearance
7) water pump backing plate coolant leak- piss poor design from Ford
8) thermostat housing leak- orig owner never retorqued
9) paint / fiberglass on one panel
10) wrong motor mounts on both SPF oltoff only right mount to use
11) fuel gauge reading wrong - sending unit needed adjusted
12) valve cover gasket leak- orig owner never torqued
13) intake manifold leak- orig owner never torqued
14) rear diff leak, never fixed small drip one drop a week at worst
15) clutch slave cylinder replacement / alignment on all $15.00 part
16) exhaust header gasket leak orig owner never torqued
17) convex mirror on fender mirror to make functional
18) brake booster vacuum source shared with PVC . Changed to dedicated source
19) carburator way out of adjustment - no cost - just one engine. Blykins refused to sale me a new one until I tried adjusting this one. Wouldn't take my money, he was right.
20) extremely tight throttle return spring set up. Spring mounted to wrong boss could barely push pedal!
21) door latch rattle, tightened two screws.
22) clutch pedal would not rock freely on mount very annoying used Drexel to countour so it would rock on mount without "snagging"
23) oil pressure sending tube popped out and leaked oil everywhere. Replace with braided line
24) terminal broke on coil. Wire didn't come out, terminal didn't come loose it broke in half. Freaky as it had slack in wire.
Cosmetic issues
1) headlight bezels, license plate light rust through chrome. Must not have used nickel before chroming
2) side pipe ceramic coating rust bloom
3) wood steering wheel polyurethane flaking. Prob from use
Zero transmission, suspension or rearend problems, never a vibration prob. Better than my lexus!
I will list every prob I sorted. Bdr/SPF
1) turn signal mechanism wire pinched between column and dash-$40
2) pinched ignition wire to ignition module - a biatch to find after 3 igniton modules fried-$60
3) oil temp gauge - I May have broke -$100
4) eratic tach reading -wired wrong -$100
5) Ebrake adjustment-all cars-$50
6) oil pressure drop under high rpm - mellon oil pump loose clearance-$100
7) water pump backing plate coolant leak- piss poor design from Ford-$100
8) thermostat housing leak- orig owner never retorqued-$50
9) paint / fiberglass on one panel
10) wrong motor mounts on both SPF oltoff only right mount to use-$250
11) fuel gauge reading wrong - sending unit needed adjusted-$75
12) valve cover gasket leak- orig owner never torqued-$50
13) intake manifold leak- orig owner never torqued-$50
14) rear diff leak, never fixed small drip one drop a week at worst-$50
15) clutch slave cylinder replacement / alignment on all $15.00 part-$75
16) exhaust header gasket leak orig owner never torqued-$100
17) convex mirror on fender mirror to make functional
18) brake booster vacuum source shared with PVC . Changed to dedicated source$75
19) carburator way out of adjustment - no cost - just one engine. Blykins -refused to sale me a new one until I tried adjusting this one. Wouldn't take my money, he was right.-$200
20) extremely tight throttle return spring set up. Spring mounted to wrong boss could barely push pedal!-$50
21) door latch rattle, tightened two screws.-$50
22) clutch pedal would not rock freely on mount very annoying used Drexel to countour so it would rock on mount without "snagging"-$50
23) oil pressure sending tube popped out and leaked oil everywhere. Replace with braided line$150
24) terminal broke on coil. Wire didn't come out, terminal didn't come loose it broke in half. Freaky as it had slack in wire.-$150
Cosmetic issues
1) headlight bezels, license plate light rust through chrome. Must not have used nickel before chroming
2) side pipe ceramic coating rust bloom
3) wood steering wheel polyurethane flaking. Prob from use
Zero transmission, suspension or rearend problems, never a vibration prob. Better than my lexus!
Some took 20 minute other took 60 hrs.
Over $2000 on nickel and dime items that I hadn't even considered.
At that point, I would say $5000 might be a little low on the budget side.
As far as oil consumption anything over 1k miles on a carbureted engine and in my opinion I don't care as long as it doesn't get worse. I never had an engine I was ever worried about oil consumption.
lol, i havent bought gas for my daily driver in 2 years. I have an electric car. It is obvious the original poster, Ace, is not a cobra guy but wants the thrill, experience, and thumbs up from the old timers. And that is fine. And he should skip baby steps and get the best body with the best baddest engine. i not.he will always lust for the Kirk orCSX.at.every.car show
lol, i havent bought gas for my daily driver in 2 years. I have an electric car. It is obvious the original poster, Ace, is not a cobra guy but wants the thrill, experience, and thumbs up from the old timers. And that is fine. And he should skip baby steps and get the best body with the best baddest engine. i not.he will always lust for the Kirk orCSX.at.every.car show
Explain to me what constitutes being a "Cobra Guy". I'm more into performance and appreciate all types of cars. I simply want a nice, well constructed replica cobra. A Kirkham or CSX is not even on my wish list or radar. You got the thrill and experience part right but I'm just as likely to pull up in a cobra with a mod motor and a blower on it as I am a 427SBF...not looking for thumbs up from a soul unless they are paying for it... only my personal satisfaction in the car I end up in.
I would trade my entry level electric car for a Tesla. Who wouldn't? Like asking a FFR owner if he/she wants to trade straight up for a Kirkham or CSX.
Hi, Ace, it is in no way a disrespect to you and your future purchase but to me a "Cobra guy/girl" is a person who craves a pure driving experience- a light body roadster, fat tires, brute horsepower engine and more power, loves the smell of gasoline, hot sun beating down, wind in your hair, bugs in your teeth and sweat down your neck. It is a motorcycle on 4 wheels.
Go to any car show and the Kirkham & CSX owners always have the biggest crowds around them. They are simply the best of the fakes and if you fall in love with Cobras, you are going to lust for an aluminum body Kirk, CSX or original. Thats just American, always upgrading, either cars, houses, wives, etc. I doubt you will trade from SPE or BDR to a FFR home build.
Good luck on your future purchase.
As for me, I am still on the fence buying used or just wait for a BDR GT3 GT carbon fiber body with an electric motor that sounds like a chevy!
I don't wear my feelings on my shoulder so no disrespect taken. I am a pretty die hard motorcycle enthusiast so maybe I stand a chance falling into the cobra guy category
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Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy
Hi, Ace, it is in no way a disrespect to you and your future purchase but to me a "Cobra guy/girl" is a person who craves a pure driving experience- a light body roadster, fat tires, brute horsepower engine and more power, loves the smell of gasoline, hot sun beating down, wind in your hair, bugs in your teeth and sweat down your neck. It is a motorcycle on 4 wheels.
Go to any car show and the Kirkham & CSX owners always have the biggest crowds around them. They are simply the best of the fakes and if you fall in love with Cobras, you are going to lust for an aluminum body Kirk, CSX or original. Thats just American, always upgrading, either cars, houses, wives, etc. I doubt you will trade from SPE or BDR to a FFR home build.
Good luck on your future purchase.
As for me, I am still on the fence buying used or just wait for a BDR GT3 GT carbon fiber body with an electric motor that sounds like a chevy!
no, sir, I do not have buyers remorse for my electric car. It is my daily vehicle to work, for errands, travel, etc.
We are in a car forum discussing adult toys, things we don't really need but want, big ticket fun items ($50K or more).
I see that you own a Kirk. Do you have buyers remorse?
I am simply suggesting to the original poster, Ace, to start at the best of the fakes. He will enjoy the whole cobra experience more (driving, ownership pride, car show respect, etc.)
no, sir, I do not have buyers remorse for my electric car. It is my daily vehicle to work, for errands, travel, etc.
We are in a car forum discussing adult toys, things we don't really need but want, big ticket fun items ($50K or more).
I see that you own a Kirk. Do you have buyers remorse?
I am simply suggesting to the original poster, Ace, to start at the best of the fakes. He will enjoy the whole cobra experience more (driving, ownership pride, car show respect, etc.)
We're discussing your advice to Ace to buy the best Cobra, otherwise Ace will feel buyer's remorse. We all have budgets, adult toys or just a DD. A Kirkham or Shelby is probably not in Ace's budget nor is a Cammer engine either.
You said you would like to own a Tesla, but instead you own an entry level electric car. That sounds a bit like buyer's remorse to me, whether it's a DD or an adult toy, even though many Tesla owners (sedan or their 2-door sports car) feel their car is an adult toy.
We all would like to have the most expensive and/or best brand of anything we purchase, personal or real property, but we have to live within our means. So, I don't understand your advice to Ace about buying something, anything, he (or she) may not be able to afford. And then stating Ace is not Cobra guy for not buying the best, even though he might not be able to afford it.
By extension, that means the preponderance of Cobra owners are not "Cobra guys", since Kirkham's and Shelby's represent a small fraction of total Cobra production. And I believe they would beg to differ.
... By extension, that means the preponderance of Cobra owners are not "Cobra guys", since Kirkham's and Shelby's represent a small fraction of total Cobra production. And I believe they would beg to differ.
zackly, thinking a kirkham or csx is what defines a "cobra guy" is foolishness at best and a rookie perception of the hobby. To think that anyone is seeking a "thumbs up from the old timers" with a non-kirkham/csx "entry level purchase" is baffoonery.
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