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Chevy in a Cobra
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| AL427SBF |
05-23-2014 08:55 PM |
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Originally Posted by REAL 1
(Post 1302307)
... Where does SAAC define the drive train for an original Cobra? They tell us what they came with originally but you can have an original Cobra with a new engine in it or even a Chevy in it if the owner was nuts enough to put one in and it would still be an original Cobra ...
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I'll defer to those who actually own an "original" to weigh in on this most profound interpretation :D |
| REAL 1 |
05-24-2014 04:43 AM |
Who needs owners of originals to weigh in? Maybe you do but I certainly don't. Who imbued them with a magic aura of knowledge based on mere ownership alone. History gives us what we need to know. The Registry contains the combined knowledge of many who not only own originals but many others who own other related cars and all who have been devoted to thes cars and the history and evolving history for decades. History never stands still. It adds to itself with each passing minute.
The best and most authoritative history book and definitional tool/dictionary is right there for you to use yet many here despite either belonging to SAAC and/or having shelled out the coin for a Registry brush it aside out of (a) sour grapes (b) there own personal opinion differs as to one particular category of definition while happily accepting the part that suit them or (c) they just don't and will never get it.
So have at your new "CC" definitions. A group that defaults back to Charlie ( got the spelling this time) Brown to try and drive home a point counter to one supporting the World Registry will gain a huge following.:JEKYLHYDE
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| AL427SBF |
05-24-2014 06:04 AM |
Well, have it your way, who am I to undermine this latest spin on things. Be sure to give your local grocer's bag boy with chebbie powered cobra a big hug as you've decided to bury the hatchet :)
One small step for Evan Almighty, one giant step for chevy powered cobras everywhere.
The SAAC regarding "originals" ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by REAL 1
(Post 1302307)
... They tell us what they came with originally but you can have an original Cobra with a new engine in it or even a Chevy in it if the owner was nuts enough to put one in and it would still be an original Cobra. It may not have the original or correct motor but its still a Cobra. Moreover, the original Cobras came in as rollers to if I recall with drive train and engine and options installed and could be painted to color and even customized per customer request. Hmmm, sounds erily similar to Continuation Cobras ...
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| Thor maine |
05-24-2014 10:34 AM |
Long live the Chevy in a Cobra(HotRod shaped like a Cobra)
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| NewYorkGuy |
05-24-2014 01:08 PM |
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Originally Posted by Thor maine
(Post 1302364)
Long live the Chevy in a Cobra(HotRod shaped like a Cobra)
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Has anyone installed a Caddy CTS-V supercharged engine in a hot rod shaped like a Cobra? |
| Thor maine |
05-24-2014 02:21 PM |
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Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy
(Post 1302384)
Has anyone installed a Caddy CTS-V supercharged engine in a hot rod shaped like a Cobra?
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Super Cool |
| REAL 1 |
05-24-2014 06:24 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by AL427SBF
(Post 1302343)
Well, have it your way, who am I to undermine this latest spin on things. Be sure to give your local grocer's bag boy with chebbie powered cobra a big hug as you've decided to bury the hatchet :)
One small step for Evan Almighty, one giant step for chevy powered cobras everywhere.
The SAAC regarding "originals" ...
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Spin?:LOL: oh no, not from me. On this site the spin stops with me. |
| Dominik |
05-24-2014 09:02 PM |
Okay, I buy a 60s barn find 427 now without engine and place a Chevy all aluminium 496 in it. Once I have it, I supply the CSX number... Who sells headers for it?
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| REAL 1 |
05-25-2014 01:26 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominik
(Post 1302441)
Okay, I buy a 60s barn find 427 now without engine and place a Chevy all aluminium 496 in it. Once I have it, I supply the CSX number... Who sells headers for it?
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Cobra engines 427 or 289 did not have CSX #s to my knowledge. Today's new aluminum block Shelbys do, however. Fabricate headers or put in a chevy 427.
Still waiting for the CSX #s of the Cobras original and current production where the owners had enough of a grudge against Cobras and/or themselves to put a Chevy motor in it. Waiting. :rolleyes: |
| Dominik |
05-25-2014 01:52 AM |
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Originally Posted by REAL 1
(Post 1302467)
Cobra engines 427 or 289 did not have CSX #s to my knowledge. Today's new aluminum block Shelbys do, however. Fabricate headers or put in a chevy 427.
Still waiting for the CSX #s of the Cobras original and current production where the owners had enough of a grudge against Cobras and/or themselves to put a Chevy motor in it. Waiting. :rolleyes:
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That would be the ones in the registry: "Unknown", or similar ;-) |
| joyridin' |
05-25-2014 05:30 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy
(Post 1302384)
Has anyone installed a Caddy CTS-V supercharged engine in a hot rod shaped like a Cobra?
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Look in the Aussie section. Most of their cars have LS engines in them.
For what one of those engines run, you could build/buy one heck of a killer LS engine with more HP. Add turbos and you can easily get over 1000 hp. |
| AL427SBF |
05-25-2014 06:41 AM |
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Originally Posted by Dominik
(Post 1302469)
That would be the ones in the registry: "Unknown", or similar ;-)
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Touché, I see a job for Evan here as he seems to be so concerned about it.
Evan, go bird dog all those "Unknowns" with motor info and report back ASAP! :LOL: |
| REAL 1 |
05-26-2014 05:10 AM |
Don't need to bird dog those Cobras as to what's in them. My point is they are still considered Cobras regardless of current drive train. If you want to maintain historical accuracy we know the type of drive train needed. If not, oh well. Doesn't matter if it's a Cobra to begin with.
Touche' touche'. :p
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| Thor maine |
05-28-2014 09:31 PM |
So I am looking at ""Cobras & Replicas 1962-1993" a Brooklands Books publication. In it is a two page picture of a car called the "Mongoose". A car built by Jerry Scheberies which is a 1958 AC ACE with a F85 Olds V8 transplanted in it. It looks like it was done before Carroll Shelby and the Cobra. So my question is this the true father of the Cobra , with a GM engine and not Shelby and Ford???
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Can't believe anyone would pick that name except as a response to a snake a la a certain rivalry in funny cars a bit later.
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| Paintwerks |
05-29-2014 05:21 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy
(Post 1302384)
Has anyone installed a Caddy CTS-V supercharged engine in a hot rod shaped like a Cobra?
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Not the 560hp CTS-V motor, but I have a brand new 585hp LSA as used in the Camaro ZL1 that I'm going to fitting to my Cobra.
I couldn't give a stuff that it doesn't have a Ford motor in it! |
| REAL 1 |
05-29-2014 05:22 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thor maine
(Post 1303249)
So I am looking at ""Cobras & Replicas 1962-1993" a Brooklands Books publication. In it is a two page picture of a car called the "Mongoose". A car built by Jerry Scheberies which is a 1958 AC ACE with a F85 Olds V8 transplanted in it. It looks like it was done before Carroll Shelby and the Cobra. So my question is this the true father of the Cobra , with a GM engine and not Shelby and Ford???
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Looked at the article. Unclear as to whether the owner who built this one off named it the "Mongoose" or whether it was dubbed such by the article's author. As the first Cobras were already extant as of 1962 and the car which is the subject of the article used a '62 Corvette trans and F85 Olds engine which was circa 1962 the car likely didn't pre-date the Cobra. The article also specifically refers to the Cobra as comparison. The Cobra is further distinguished in body shape refinement, engine suspension and of course name. It is a totally different beast. A Cobra is a Cobra. A Cobra is not a one off with a Chevy motor in an ACE. Moreover, American Iron was being used in foreign bodied cars prior to the Cobra. E.g. the Allard and even teh Ace was using Ford Zephyr engines.
Nice try though but no Cigar. History has been written and the facts are set in stone. All original Cobras were Ford powered and not a one was Chevy powered or even prototyped with Chevy power. |
| CobraEd |
05-29-2014 06:39 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thor maine
(Post 1303249)
So I am looking at ""Cobras & Replicas 1962-1993" a Brooklands Books publication. In it is a two page picture of a car called the "Mongoose". A car built by Jerry Scheberies which is a 1958 AC ACE with a F85 Olds V8 transplanted in it. It looks like it was done before Carroll Shelby and the Cobra. So my question is this the true father of the Cobra , with a GM engine and not Shelby and Ford???
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Pretty interesting stuff. I found this post on the ACE forums. Looks like Shelby got his idea from the Mongoose:
AC Owners Club - Walt Petersen "Mongoose"
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| REAL 1 |
05-29-2014 07:26 PM |
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Originally Posted by CobraEd
(Post 1303493)
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How to you draw this conclusion when history is documented that between 1958 and 1960 CS had already conceived the idea and had the desire to build an economical V8 powered sports car using American muscle and had contacted the Hurlocks as of 1961 with his idea and already had the 260 ci Ford V8 on line for his project?.
This Mongoose couldn't have existed prior to 1962 since it used '62 parts. Furthermore, where is your evidence he even knew of the guys who created this one off "mongoose" or that it even existed? Further, the fact that mongooses kill cobras also gives us a hint as to which came first. |
| AL427SBF |
05-29-2014 07:54 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by REAL 1
(Post 1303499)
How to you draw this conclusion when history is documented that between 1958 and 1960 CS had already conceived the idea and had the desire to build an economical V8 powered sports car using American muscle and had contacted the Hurlocks as of 1961 with his idea and already had the 260 ci Ford V8 on line for his project?.
This Mongoose couldn't have existed prior to 1962 since it used '62 parts. Furthermore, where is your evidence he even knew of the guys who created this one off "mongoose" or that it even existed? Further, the fact that mongooses kill cobras also gives us a hint as to which came first.
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Digging a little deeper on that thread ...
When I bought Ace BEX1073,with V8 Buick a copy of the Rod and Track article came with the car, infering it was the Mongoose and one of three. Indeed the register at the time confirmed this! However during a sustained digging for the cars history, Mongoose/Scheberries never came up. Eventually I managed to contact Jerry Scheberries by phone in July 2003. He told me that he had only converted one car to V8 spec (Olds)for concours events, it was a 1958 AC engined one. Unfortunately he coud not remember where he got it or the chassis number only that it wsa entered in Pebble Beach in 1961 and that he sold it to a man called "Chuck Hallam" who somtimes acted with Burt Lancaster. Jerry sent me a collage of photos copied onto an A4 sheet depicting his red Ace registration ACA 237 (California plate) original AC engine and later Olds taken in the 60s. The car also has a single thin blade front bumper, flat screen and disc front brakes. Another photo of the car in the Nevada desert shows it with a racing number 44. |
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