... Chevy power. I have no issue with a "personal choice" to put Chevy power in a Cobra replica for personal reasons but don't start telling everyone it's the "engine CS wanted first ...
That's why I call my car a roadster, and when asked what it is, say it's based on the original 1960's Shelby Cobras.
I built it for the track so it has a stroker 427 with Webers, 17" wheels, bigger brakes, full width bar (so I can have a passenger or instructor) high back seats and a tilt front (so I can get to everything easily).
So it's nothing like a Cobra and I don't represent it as such. And that's ok with me.
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You guys with original 60s Cobras need never to worry about the value of the Cobra investment going away.
Any other "Cobra's" are either an attempt at being as close a replica to the original as possible, although one would have to pick a specific car to replicate , or it is just a super awesome looking component car and as such who cares.......its a hobby we all enjoy........
The Real Ones will always be real.......but only the Real ones..........
This is another instance of just..........The truth will set you free........
Ned will know the CSX number because I have related part of this story before and he knew the car. As I remember, this occurred in the early seventies.
I was running in a time trial at Waterford Hills race track and a guy showed up with an original 427 or 428 Cobra. He had installed a 427 BBC with aluminum heads and had the hood open for all to see. I gave him a ration of you know what over the blasphemy of putting a chevy in the car. He said that he believed that he had created the ultimate Cobra because it was well known that a BBC would make more power than a 427 FE. That really bugged me so I challenged him to enter the time trail and see if he could beat my Tunnelport 427. He declined so that was the last time we talked.
Several months later on a rainy day I heard sirens near my house in Dearborn.
I walked over to Outer Drive and saw this Cobra completely destroyed. He apparently got on it in the rain and it went sideways over the line and was hit broadside by a big Mercury sedan. Both the guy and his girlfriend were killed in the crash. I have a picture of the car somewhere that I posted some time ago on CC. This history after that is checkered, some people have said that the car had a fiberglass body which is BS it was an original aluminum bodied car. A guy I knew bought the car after I told him where it was. He sold the engine and trans and the Vin plate but that is all I know about the car. It is probably one of the famous "air" cars now because you would need the chassis stampings too and it was U shaped after the accident.
Well hell, that just proves it right there. Chevy motors are dangerous in the rain!
Look...it all depends on what you want. According to the Boys from Provo, mine is supposed to be one of the more "original" ones, and the first BNL to be ordered as a BNL (there is a brushed one, maybe two, before mine...KMP 142...but mine became the package proto after I saw Tom Jr's track car...all done by hand and cost more than paint then, but windex has been cheaper than polish). My suspension is the old school, except the adjustable A-arms are the steel prototypes the arruminum ones KMP makes were based on...took 'em right off of Little Davy's car cuz he wanted to run the original arruminum one. My gearshift knob is the prototype arruminum one that was still on the lathe...has 'KK" instead of the shift pattern. It was also meant for Davy's car at the open house a few years ago. I needed it...made all the better that I just flat took it while Sammich pretended not to look. I always made a habit of wearing trail pants with big pockets at the open house...always filled with small stuff that I have no clue WTF they're for...carb linkage, etc. Got a whole box full of stuff...pedal arms with "KK" that I'm going to make into BBQ tongs someday.
But it has a Shelby arruminum block (my ass more than makes up for any weight savings)...despite being all dressed out old school...road draft tube for the breather, big carb, no pvc, the old aircleaner, toploader, etc. Why? am I purist? Not sure what the heck you call it, but I just wanted the car to act as much like one from the 60s as possible for the assperience (seat of the pants) rather than for the achievement of any dubious honor of having done it more "correct" than the next guy. Great on the street and track, but if I wanted a cost-effective track car, as I've said before after first seeing them...I'd have a JBL, or maybe even a Lister ("correctly" fitted with a SBC ).
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I should in one already given some of our clients.
Chanmadd: never say never.
Everyone is entitled to their own personal opinion but facts is facts and SAAC nailed it.
A cobra replica should be exactly that. It should make some attempt beyond body shape to duplicate that basic ingredients to at least SOME extent or what is the point?
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Everyone is entitled to their own personal opinion but facts is facts and SAAC nailed it.
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You see there are facts then there are personal opinions. Facts don't change but personal opinions vary like snowflakes and are always subject to change and modification.
You car still qualifies as a "Cobra replica" to me provided there is some effort beyond a Cobra look a like shell such as hardware and/or gauges and/or trim etc...Although, SAAC's definition gets you in to the "replica" category even if you have peddle power, Camry gauges, F150 Wheels and pogo sticks for suspension my OPINION departs from that of SAAC's. My standard is a little higher so all of you knocking SAAC to get at me may want to re-think your positions.
According to you then, SAAC's "opinion" sometimes "nails it" and at other times, they don't? Hmmm, that's interesting.
Wouldn't it be nice if Shelby or any of the race teams then had at least built one Cobra with a Chevy. Then we would not have this discussion, would we? :-)
Nobody argues over the choice of engine in a Lola T70.
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I heard Zora actually approached Volkswagen with his Corvette idea first. I think I'll buy a replica of a Vette and stick an air-cooled VW engine in it. With curb feelers.
Shelby was a smart ol SOB/businessman who hooked up with whomever gave him free or cheap motors or platforms to play with...whether it was Ford, Oldsmobile or Chrysler.
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According to you then, SAAC's "opinion" sometimes "nails it" and at other times, they don't? Hmmm, that's interesting.
SAAC'S position on how all these cars are classified are indeed SAAC's position based on their knowledge, experience, considered thought as an organization that is recognized world wide as "the" authority on all things Cobra. You or anyone are free to disagree statements of position or opinion. The current production Shelby Cobras, however, have the distinction of being genuine Cobras regardless of SAAC position and in fact because of the fact they are an SAI product, are a continuation of what the man and SAI produced and legally is the only car that can be legally referred to by the manufacturer as a Cobra and carry the Cobra emblem and name. So, SAAC was really just acknowledging the obvious and reality. Their recognition just added to the panache' of what the car already is in fact and reality. While it replicates the original it also conincidently is a Cobra independently of what it replicates, i.e. he original series.
Yes, there will alway be those that say "if it ain't built in the 60's it ain't real." I get it. I disagree but I get it. They are entitled to their opinion just as I am.
You can disagree with SAAC as to interpretation and position. So can I. If you are allowed the same rules apply to me. Difference is as the current production Cobras the position is not only based on opinion and interpretation but actual fact.
What qualifies as replica per SAAC is a matter of position statement but the question becomes where is the outer bounds of that statement before we end up in absurdity?
I have a limit. It's my own personal limit as to when a car is no longer a Cobra replica. You have your limit. This is interpretation.
However, a Shelby Cobra is a Shelby Cobra. New or old. Thats a fact.
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SAAC'S position on how all these cars are classified are indeed SAAC's position based on their knowledge, experience, considered thought as an organization that is recognized world wide as "the" authority on all things Cobra. You or anyone are free to disagree statements of position or opinion. The current production Shelby Cobras, however, have the distinction of being genuine Cobras regardless of SAAC position and in fact because of the fact they are an SAI product, are a continuation of what the man and SAI produced and legally is the only car that can be legally referred to by the manufacturer as a Cobra and carry the Cobra emblem and name. So, SAAC was really just acknowledging the obvious and reality. Their recognition just added to the panache' of what the car already is in fact and reality. While it replicates the original it also conincidently is a Cobra independently of what it replicates, i.e. he original series.
Yes, there will alway be those that say "if it ain't built in the 60's it ain't real." I get it. I disagree but I get it. They are entitled to their opinion just as I am.
You can disagree with SAAC as to interpretation and position. So can I. If you are allowed the same rules apply to me. Difference is as the current production Cobras the position is not only based on opinion and interpretation but actual fact.
What qualifies as replica per SAAC is a matter of position statement but the question becomes where is the outer bounds of that statement before we end up in absurdity?
I have a limit. It's my own personal limit as to when a car is no longer a Cobra replica. You have your limit. This is interpretation.
However, a Shelby Cobra is a Shelby Cobra. New or old. Thats a fact.
Excuse me for just a second, while I look for my..............Oh here IT is:
Cobra Make, Engine: Former owner of Long Live the Bow tie Contemporary #102 427 Chevy .30 over Merlin heads 11to1, TBI injection
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SAAC'S position on how all these cars are classified are indeed SAAC's position based on their knowledge, experience, considered thought as an organization that is recognized world wide as "the" authority on all things Cobra. You or anyone are free to disagree statements of position or opinion. The current production Shelby Cobras, however, have the distinction of being genuine Cobras regardless of SAAC position and in fact because of the fact they are an SAI product, are a continuation of what the man and SAI produced and legally is the only car that can be legally referred to by the manufacturer as a Cobra and carry the Cobra emblem and name. So, SAAC was really just acknowledging the obvious and reality. Their recognition just added to the panache' of what the car already is in fact and reality. While it replicates the original it also conincidently is a Cobra independently of what it replicates, i.e. he original series.
Yes, there will alway be those that say "if it ain't built in the 60's it ain't real." I get it. I disagree but I get it. They are entitled to their opinion just as I am.
You can disagree with SAAC as to interpretation and position. So can I. If you are allowed the same rules apply to me. Difference is as the current production Cobras the position is not only based on opinion and interpretation but actual fact.
What qualifies as replica per SAAC is a matter of position statement but the question becomes where is the outer bounds of that statement before we end up in absurdity?
I have a limit. It's my own personal limit as to when a car is no longer a Cobra replica. You have your limit. This is interpretation.
However, a Shelby Cobra is a Shelby Cobra. New or old. Thats a fact.
You know in the cartoon strip "Peanuts" ? You know when the kids are in the classroom and talk to the teacher all we hear is "whompwhomp blompwhomp SAAC whomp wha whompwhaaaaa!
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You know in the cartoon strip "Peanuts" ? You know when the kids are in the classroom and talk to the teacher all we hear is "whompwhomp blompwhomp SAAC whomp wha whompwhaaaaa!
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Review the definitions in the Registry and you will understand. You should anyway. One category is based on existing and legal fact the other is more definitional. You do grasp that don't you?
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Review the definitions in the Registry and you will understand. You should anyway. One category is based on existing and legal fact the other is more definitional. You do grasp that don't you?
If you're talking to me, I'm not going down THAT "rabbit hole."
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Review the definitions in the Registry and you will understand. You should anyway. One category is based on existing and legal fact the other is more definitional. You do grasp that don't you?
If you're talking to me, I'd rather use the money to buy more fuel...
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