Chevy in a Cobra

[AL427SBF]

Check my "grasping" of the concept Evan, there are originals and there are replicas. Replicas can be good, bad or anything in between. Yours is one damn fine replica, mine not so much.

How did I do?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Review the definitions in the Registry and you will understand. You should anyway. One category is based on existing and legal fact the other is more definitional. You do grasp that don't you?

The question becomes as to the later if and where the limit is.

[soulman]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

A cobra replica should be exactly that. It should make some attempt beyond body shape to duplicate that basic ingredients to at least SOME extent or what is the point?

Gotta agree with that !

Soul.

[john chesnut]

I love the Cobra shape. But, my Cobra tribute is all C5 Corvette. Suspension, Engine, Tremec trans in my own frame. After all of this I'm thinking of removing the Cobra body and mounting a Kellison Roadster body that I have on it.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

The question becomes as to the later if and where the limit is.

Yes, and why you are in such torment about this.

SAAC definition -
Kit Car or Replica: Any car with a body which approximates the original Cobra shape, using any kind frame, suspension, brakes or driveline.

The liberal use of the word "any" puts all replicas in the same bucket, all you have is the good, the bad and the ugly - based on an individual's subjective criteria, just the way it is.

Your words, post #94
SAAC'S position on how all these cars are classified are indeed SAAC's position based on their knowledge, experience, considered thought as an organization that is recognized world wide as "the" authority on all things Cobra.

I say cast out the demon SAAC my child, free yourself of this ungodly burden, unshackle the chains of replica oppression and floor it to a righteous life in that damn fine replica of yours

Hallelujah and Praise The Lord

[buddyg]

Real1 - Same stuff different day. Do you crap little SAAC turds? Honestly give it a rest, everyone knows your position and most could care less.

SAAC doesn't mean crap to anyone other than those in SAAC.

[joyridin']

Funny...all this arguing over nothing. When I go to a car show, the only thing I ever hear is "is it an original?" If the answer is no, and it always is, then it is just another real cool car.

Nobody really cares how close it is to an original, and most do not even care about what is under the hood. If it isn't an original, it is just a really cool car.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by buddyg

Real1 - Same stuff different day. Do you crap little SAAC turds? Honestly give it a rest, everyone knows your position and most could care less.

SAAC doesn't mean crap to anyone other than those in SAAC.

Eh, y'all may wanna back off a few notches there buddyboy...Evan (aka Real1) has been around here for a long long time. He's also a damn good guy that does deserve a tip of the hat for being a consistent PITA about this subject.

In other words, let's be nice.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Review the definitions in the Registry and you will understand. You should anyway. One category is based on existing and legal fact the other is more definitional. You do grasp that don't you?

I'm going to hate myself in the morning, but down the "rabbit hole" I go.

Two things can be equally true. A CSX4000 (used interchangeably for all Shelby continuation models) is legally a Shelby Cobra. And the CSX4000 is a replica, recreation, etc.

Fact: The SAAC Registry states "(CSX4000) is not an exact duplicate; it was actually a new model Cobra-improved, updated and, to be accurate, recreated."

Opinion: SAAC definition's of Kit Car or Replica - Any car with a body which approximates the original Cobra shape, using any kind frame, suspension, brakes or driveline.

I'm climbing out of the rabbit hole now. My apologies to everyone, but I have to respond to the same nonsense that we've had to respond to for almost a decade.

[Dominik]

Makes me think this topic had intentially be opened to let Evan have some fun ;-)

I agree: If it says Shelby, it is one. Let the value be determined by the buyer.
Clearly we have to differ between 60s and the new ones.

If I had one from the 60s, I would place a Chevy in it...

[mdross1]

I'm 100% certain most everyone here wants to get along after all we are like minded in our choices of body styles at least when it comes muscle cars. I truly enjoy being around and talking with hot rodders no matter what they build or drive.

The problem I see here is we are not face to face so it is impossible to read some of the responders and the way they choose to word their threads. When we read something that hits a nerve it is next to impossible not to fire back.

We all come from different parts of the world, different backrounds, building skill levels, dedication to originality, income levels, the list goes on. What I choose for a means of getting that Cobra experience should having nothing to do with its underpinnings or credentials. Those that choose to put themselves above that hope it makes them happy.
In the end isn't it the way of the world, sure hope the day never comes we all need huge fences around our homes. We sure have to be vigilant when it comes to our choice of politicians, losing so many middle class scares the heck out of me. We may need a lot more than fences to protect us.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by buddyg

Real1 - Same stuff different day. Do you crap little SAAC turds? Honestly give it a rest, everyone knows your position and most could care less.

SAAC doesn't mean crap to anyone other than those in SAAC.

Yes, this subject has been discussed before and no doubt will be again whether I'm around or not. I can't comment on the SAAC turd thing. All I can say is I try to eat right but never checked the end outcome.

As to SAAC not meaning crap except to those in SAAC you are demonstrably wrong and your statement reveals a lack of knowledge on the subject of Cobras.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Check my "grasping" of the concept Evan, there are originals and there are replicas. Replicas can be good, bad or anything in between. Yours is one damn fine replica, mine not so much.

How did I do?

Al: Nice try. You do like to stir the pot from both sides.

Your are right as to SAACs definition of kit car/replica. I guess that would include that thing in post #16. I stand corrected. You win. You will also note the other classes\definitions in the definitional section. So let's just all agree SAAC is right which you guys have forced to concede.

BTW I have to admit you guys do remind me collectively of Charley Brown. How Thor nailed that is amazing considering he got his engine choice so wrong. LOL ; )

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by mdross1

I'm 100% certain most everyone here wants to get along after all we are like minded in our choices of body styles at least when it comes muscle cars. I truly enjoy being around and talking with hot rodders no matter what they build or drive.

The problem I see here is we are not face to face so it is impossible to read some of the responders and the way they choose to word their threads. When we read something that hits a nerve it is next to impossible not to fire back.

We all come from different parts of the world, different backrounds, building skill levels, dedication to originality, income levels, the list goes on. What I choose for a means of getting that Cobra experience should having nothing to do with its underpinnings or credentials. Those that choose to put themselves above that hope it makes them happy.
In the end isn't it the way of the world, sure hope the day never comes we all need huge fences around our homes. We sure have to be vigilant when it comes to our choice of politicians, losing so many middle class scares the heck out of me. We may need a lot more than fences to protect us.

Very nice post. I agree. It also comes down to respecting others and what they own too. Shame there is not more of it.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Al: Nice try. You do like to stir the pot from both sides. ...

Absolutely, always make sure ingredients are well mixed, avoid burning on the bottom, learned that from "Cooking with Emeril" BAM!

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

... I agree. It also comes down to respecting others and what they own too. Shame there is not more of it.

Ok, half way there with talking the talk.
Now try walking the walk, incy wincy baby steps first, it will come

[REAL 1]

My we are stirring hard, aren't we?

[ItBites]

Charlie Brown is spelled with an 'ie', not 'ey'. I guess SAAC hasn't ruled on that, so your error is understandable. ;D I also guess that would make you Lucy, pulling the footballl away time after time... Never adressing the REAL argument of how far Charlie could kick the ball. Content to persist with self-serving and self-aggrandising behavior.

As far as respecting others and what they own... I've read your posts for over 10 years and respectful of what others own is demonstrably not within in your paradigm, but still amusing to those who like to stir the pot with you.

Still (and just to stir the pot and since Jamo said I could)... No one other than SAAC members and prospective owners of originals gives a rats patootie about what SAAC says or how they define, categorize, or classify anything.

[rodneym]

Originally Posted by ItBites

... No one other than SAAC members and prospective owners of originals gives a rats patootie about what SAAC says or how they define, categorize, or classify anything.

Ah, ha!!

Are these the makings of a new poll?

I, for one, care. Don't live or die by it, but I care.

[ItBites]

Rod,

Since he is king of all SAAC-ville, I nominate Evan to conduct said poll. This will negate any appearance of shenanigans. He'll still argue over the results, but that will be fun as well.

Also, I like the terminology rat's patootie as opposed to the term 'care'. But I'll add that the type of 'care' I am referring to is in the sense of being 'material', not just the semi-interested bystander type of caring.