Chevy in a Cobra

[dallas_]

Originally Posted by Jamo;130****

Indeed...damn near as many as in Poland.

I saw what you did there.

[rodneym]

No need for a poll. YES or NO answers are ok, but some justifications would be better.

I'm feeling energized! Reliving the glory of my salad days.

We were the most pugnacious debating team around, the Devil's Advocates.

[Jamo]

You want pugnacious? I'll give you pugnacious.

[rodneym]

Jamo,
That's what I felt like after my Magnesium Wheels Group Buy thread.

[Jamo]

Hehehehe....life is like a box of chocolates.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Jamo

You want pugnacious? I'll give you pugnacious.

I can't tell by looking at it, but is that a "real one" or replica?

[OnyxRider]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

No? I find you highly entertaining, just like nyg only rooting for the other side.

carry on ...

It's for my entertainment. I'm still waiting for NYG to get his green Cobra that runs on waste vegetable oil.

[OnyxRider]

Originally Posted by Jamo

I'd call them a reissue with some DNA attached. I mean, would you call an SS a D-Type just because of the chassis?

The watch world uses the phrase "reissue" when they bring out modern reproductions of heritage models (as I try to type while lifting this freeking ploprof chunk)...seems to me that might be a good name for the modern CSX's.

Well the Jaguar Heritage as I know it is relatively new in a way. This build of the lightweight E's is their first reproduction. As far as I know they have been busy selling parts and documentation of cars for awhile now. Another member sent me a post from Hemmings and in it they used replica and continuation in their piece. That coming from Hemmings and not Jaguar.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by OnyxRider

Well the Jaguar Heritage as I know it is relatively new in a way. This build of the lightweight E's is their first reproduction. As far as I know they have been busy selling parts and documentation of cars for awhile now. Another member sent me a post from Hemmings and in it they used replica and continuation in their piece. That coming from Hemmings and not Jaguar.

Here's what I want to know. Whether it's a reissue of an expensive watch or a Jaguar, is Kirkham producing the body and chassis?

[ItBites]

Hi again Evan!

Thank you for saying how you 'respectfully disagree'. I assume you were adressing my comment about respect and your demonstrated use of it across the past ten or more years. I guess if you say your disagreement is respectful, that makes it so, and I'll let you have that out of the mutual respect.

I also noticed you say aggrandizing and I say aggrandising. Hmmm... I assume that was intentional as well since you say tomato and I say tomato. There must be a song there somewhere, but it ain't kumbaya as we sit by the fire.

I will agree with you on your point about calling any of these kit cars 'replicas'. You can check my record on this for the past 11 years and you will find that I prefer 'kit car' and have written a number of posts to the effect that the term 'replica' has only come about recently and primarily with the advent of a lot of well-heeled folks simply writing checks for their kit cars. Given the amount of money they spend they feel the term 'kit car' is not commensurate with their cash outlay, so the term 'replica' has become popular. I am sure some will disagree, but I have been in this kit cobra game for 24 years and have seen the change first hand. My kit cobra went together in '90 and '91. I went to my first Run and Gun in '92 or '93 in Indianapolis and frankly no one I spoke to called their kit cobra a 'replica' in general conversation. I will further add that in my opinion, a REAL replica would have to replicate all aspects of the original, including round frame, brazed suspension arms, girling calipers on solid rotors, aluminum body, etc, etc...

So, in summary, I think mine is a 'kit car' (heck, back then 'kit' was stretching the truth as you had to figure out a whole lot of it yourself). I think 'replica' in itself is a self-serving term that has come into popularity in the last 10 years, primarily because some folks have a hang-up about the connotation of the term 'kit car'. I think yours is a 'reissue' since it was provided by some company related to some guy named Shelby. I think very few out there are truly 'replicas'. I don't agree that repeating SAACs opinion is providing 'facts' (SAACs opinion is just that, an opinion). I will continue to call all of them 'cobras' since in layman's terms that is what they are and I am a simple guy, not a lawyer. I respectfully request you change your handle to Reissue1.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by OnyxRider

Well the Jaguar Heritage as I know it is relatively new in a way. This build of the lightweight E's is their first reproduction. As far as I know they have been busy selling parts and documentation of cars for awhile now. Another member sent me a post from Hemmings and in it they used replica and continuation in their piece. That coming from Hemmings and not Jaguar.

We have a wonderful place near San Luis Obispo called XK's Unlimited that refurbishes Jags and builds lightweight reproductions (sells CSXs as well). I love walking through there from time to time...and the market seems to be good to them.

Jag Heritage build or have any connection with the beautiful but fanciful Eagle that makes Clarkson drool?

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I can't tell by looking at it, but is that a "real one" or replica?

According to the mom...it's a reissue.

[OnyxRider]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Gentlemen: I am not trying nor is it my intention to belittle anyone's car with Websters. However, you can not have it both ways by taking what you like from one standard and applying a different standard to something else just to make you feel better and at the same time demean something else or debased it without being unfair and inconsistent. That's the point I am trying to make clear but many of you only hear what you want to hear and either don't get it or do and don't care.

Here goes nothing...

As I first stated KISS keep it simple stupid. So stupid here(me) by my definition:

This is my viewpoint and not trying to oppose others or demean them by dictionary quotes. I just can't argue with logic and such a well spoken man.

Cobra: 1960's roadster AC & Shelby....you know the history.

Now Real 1 by applying my simple but accurate definition you do not have a Cobra.

Do you have? Continuation/reissue I guess so.
Replica..not sure because you do have modern parts and not a copy of the original
Kit..not sure because I thought your model comes less engine and drivetrain.

So BIG no on yours being a Cobra. Just say Continuation Cobra because using Cobra is not accurate.

Also I have a whole four drawer cabinet on Cobras and in fact a small folder in there marked "other". I have literature of the copper Kirkham and a few other things of interest to me. Funny thing is we do have a Stallion but that is listed under Kellison and not Cobra or other.



Now I started this thread to point out your word usage when you are describing the definition of a Cobra and how far others are from YOUR definition. Read your words about "trying to demean" because that is exactly what you do. Just an observation.


And here's another observation.... you bring it to a personal level with insults. Just read your sentence below. You not only have to bring the language in this thread but you have to degrade and make a comment that it means less than O. Do you not know how to speak to people or about them. Once again trying to degrade someone by attempting to lift yourself up.

If you are going to act like a boy by playing in the sandbox as you say... PLEASE bring some sand because all I get from your posts is a bunch of hot air and slinging BS over and over again. And I guess you can't pull the "he insulted me first" card from up your sleeve as you usually do.

Real 1: "He is clearly entitled to his opinion. Just like a$$holes everyone has one. No issue with his opinion at all as that's all it is and means 0 to anyone but him and less then 0 to me."


Carry on

[OnyxRider]

Originally Posted by Jamo

We have a wonderful place near San Luis Obispo called XK's Unlimited that refurbishes Jags and builds lightweight reproductions (sells CSXs as well). I love walking through there from time to time...and the market seems to be good to them.

Jag Heritage build or have any connection with the beautiful but fanciful Eagle that makes Clarkson drool?

Jaguar Heritage. About Us

I always understood it being a group in the automakers company.

[Jamo]

got it...thx!

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ItBites

...I will further add that in my opinion, a REAL replica would have to replicate all aspects of the original, including round frame, brazed suspension arms, girling calipers on solid rotors, aluminum body, etc, etc...

BTW, and I'm by no means an expert, the very early CSX4000's and Kirkham's, did have much of the original stuff like Lucas electrical components, Girling brakes, solid rotors, Smiths gauges and the hood and trunk hinges identical to the 3000 series cars.

If that stuff is important to a buyer, then the early CSX4000's and Kirkham's, to a lesser extent, would be more valuable. To the right buyer. I'm not the right buyer, since I prefer the stronger, lighter billet aluminum suspension, modern Speedhut gauges, battery in trunk, etc.

[Thor maine]

Continuation, replica, kit car, SAAC, Webster, heritage, DNA, reproduction, yada,yada,yada. DON'T CARE! I (we) have really cool cars and I built it my way with a Chevy engine, you build it your way , make your choices and enjoy the ride!

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by rodneym

Well, if SAAC doesn't define the drivetrain, in effect not completely defining what a continuation Cobra is, then who does?

I suppose that would be us, the market!

Now, for all those who care to play, please list my three examples of contunation Cobras by how you (all of us) would value them in the market, from most expensive to least expensive. All rollers are otherwise optioned the same.

1) CSX4000/6000 with FE
2) CSX4000/6000 with Windsor
3) CSX4000/6000 with any other motor (Chevy BB, SB or Iron Duke )

Agree, just like replicas you have good csx continuations, bad csx continuations and csx continuations somewhere in between

1) CSX4000/6000 with Windsor
2) CSX4000/6000 with Chevy SB, then BB
3) CSX4000/6000 with FE
4) CSX4000/6000 with any other motor

[rodneym]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Agree, just like replicas you have good csx continuations, bad csx continuations and csx continuations somewhere in between

I think we all could agree on that.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by Thor maine

Continuation, replica, kit car, SAAC, Webster, heritage, DNA, reproduction, yada,yada,yada. DON'T CARE! I (we) have really cool cars and I built it my way with a Chevy engine, you build it your way , make your choices and enjoy the ride!

Thor, u knows I luvs ya, but if all agreed that "(we)" have really cool cars then this topic would have died a quick death on the Ford engine cobra vs. Chevy engine cobra- race for bragging rights? thread - where it all started. That is why you are here continuing to fight the good fight