Here ya go AL since you requested pictures. Not mine...but if you want a REAL One...try this for size.
Actually I'm very upset that the Pond Collection is up for auction. I thought the grandmother and grand-daughter at least would keep it since she stated over and over she is a car girl.
Agree, just like replicas you have good csx continuations, bad csx continuations and csx continuations somewhere in between
1) CSX4000/6000 with Windsor
2) CSX4000/6000 with Chevy SB, then BB
3) CSX4000/6000 with FE
4) CSX4000/6000 with any other motor
OMG, that's your sequential order of how you would value them? Seriously? Well, at least you're consistent. Actually, I'm quite surprised you listed the FE above the "with any other motor" category.
OMG, that's your sequential order of how you would value them? Seriously? Well, at least you're consistent. Actually, I'm quite surprised you listed the FE above the "with any other motor" category.
You do realize the market doesn't agree with you.
Yes, I am quite aware of the ranking not in-line with "the market". The day "the market" trumps what I want (value) ... you might as well put a gun to my head. I'm not in this for the resale value, not even a remote consideration. I find it interesting that resale value seems to be a prerequisite for most in making a buying decision with this particular hobby
I just wanted to show how one member has less than zero respect for others opinions.
Ok Can we get back to Chevy In a Cobra, Chevy in a Replica Cobra, Chevy in a Kit Cobra, Chevy in a re-issue Cobra....or whatever you like to call them.
I just wanted to show how one member has less than zero respect for others opinions.
Ok Can we get back to Chevy In a Cobra, Chevy in a Replica Cobra, Chevy in a Kit Cobra, Chevy in a re-issue Cobra....or whatever you like to call them.
I just wanted to show how one member has less than zero respect for others opinions.
Lol, my daddy always said the boys in the suburbs can get down & dirty.
Here ya go AL since you requested pictures. Not mine...but if you want a REAL One...try this for size.
Actually I'm very upset that the Pond Collection is up for auction. I thought the grandmother and grand-daughter at least would keep it since she stated over and over she is a car girl.
In this case not so much entertainment as interesting, seeing the real deal is always a pleasure no matter what the make.
Probably a "car girl" in the sense that money can be made collecting & selling, we've all seen how frequently original cobras are flipped, it's a business unto itself, like real-estate on steroids.
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I find it interesting that resale value seems to be a prerequisite for most in making a buying decision
Not so much in the buying aspect, but the fact that it (CSX in this case) has a greater cost and retained value is indicative of its provenance due to legacy, accuracy, demand, OPTIONS, etc.
The light hearted purpose of 'the list' was to show that, since the foremost experts (SAAC) don't define the drivetrain of a continuation, or reissue, then the value of the Cobras will 'say' what SAAC doesn't, and the more accurate will fetch more coin than the less accurate, and that evidence is as concrete as an ally SB weighing less than an ally BB.
If we don't want to use SAAC...
and we don't want to use Websters...
and now we don't want to use the market...
...then...
Not so much in the buying aspect, but the fact that it (CSX in this case) has a greater cost and retained value is indicative of its provenance due to legacy, accuracy, demand, OPTIONS, etc.
The light hearted purpose of 'the list' was to show that, since the foremost experts (SAAC) don't define the drivetrain of a continuation, or reissue, then the value of the Cobras will 'say' what SAAC doesn't, and the more accurate will fetch more coin than the less accurate, and that evidence is as concrete as an ally SB weighing less than an ally BB.
If we don't want to use SAAC...
and we don't want to use Websters...
and now we don't want to use the market...
...then...
I think we're on the same page, let the market determine value, hell it's the American way! I'm just saying resale value comes up all the time and new buyers usually ask the question.
Btw, if WE don't like the SAAC definition of things, and WE don't like the Webster definition of things, then why don't WE devise a point system to rank all things cobra? Originals are 100 pt cars, replicated cars get points for accuracy in: body, motor, transmission, rear end, chassis, suspension, brakes, wheels, cockpit, instrumentation ... what else?
Maybe start a new thread with just that purpose, deciding which assembly/components count and their respective point weights ought to be a real hoot
No I ain't doin' it, but I will certainly participate. This sounds like a job for rodneym? Maybe have a 10 member BOD to vote on the point weighting and categories. I want Thor maine on the BOD, idle hands are the devil's workshop with that guy plus a little unbridled chevy enthusiasm will help keep in check the ford maniacs.
BTW, and I'm by no means an expert, the very early CSX4000's and Kirkham's, did have much of the original stuff like Lucas electrical components, Girling brakes, solid rotors, Smiths gauges and the hood and trunk hinges identical to the 3000 series cars.
If that stuff is important to a buyer, then the early CSX4000's and Kirkham's, to a lesser extent, would be more valuable. To the right buyer. I'm not the right buyer, since I prefer the stronger, lighter billet aluminum suspension, modern Speedhut gauges, battery in trunk, etc.
Assright...I got me an original Kirkham*, not one of them damn reissue versions like you and Evan.
*Wildwoods rather than Girlings...nice to actually stop a few times in a row.
Great idea. There are one-offs, Exacts by Roger Bollick, etc that would/should score pretty damn high.
But as far as this "rodneym" business...I just don't trust him
Think about it, no one man decides anything, if you say yes I'll post an example on how to tally up "motor points", the other categories could follow that example. Done correctly it could be a very good way to rank replica authenticity, and dare I say, some could out rank a "stock" CSX Continuation lol.
Remember the benchmark is an original 60's Shelby Cobra, and I was thinking the 427 S/C for this exercise.
I'm sure the CC crowd would have no problem at all agreeing on THAT!
Yeah, like herding cats, that why you need a BOD, bust up the bickering and make a command decision to keep things moving. We probably should elect the BOD, don't want anyone saying later the deck was rigged from the git-go
You guys have convinced me - I no longer have a Cobra Replica - From now on it will be a "Cobra Inspiration", or "Cobra Inspired".
In fact I might go with "Cobra Evoque" or "Cobra Ish", or "Cobra Tipo" - I'm sure that as time pases I might think of other possibilities that wont give too much offence.
Actually I rather like "Cobra Tipo" - think I will badge it accordingly.
Not so fast grasshopper, I think anyone wanting a seat on the BOD needs to provide a little background on themselves on why they would make a good candidate. After all, you need to be voted in by general consensus. Not a full blown bio but brief summary - 75 words or less. Should Evan entertain the idea, this would pose a problem I think
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Oh. I forgot. This is CC. I have to respect the opinion of others regardless of the lack of respect for my opinion and what continuation owners own. Of course please forgive me.
Can anyone ID a continuation Cobra with a Chevy engine? I need the CSX number.
Onyxrider your post make absolutely no sense. I don't own a Cobra? And gee your not even sure its a replica now either. Really?. Ok. Whatever you say.I won't even waste any time with that one. All Ill say invest in a Registry. Next.
Itbites: I agree with a lot of what you said. Things have evolved in the last 20 years and SAACs definition cover it.
Al: Where does SAAC define the drive train for an original Cobra? They tell us what they came with originally but you can have an original Cobra with a new engine in it or even a Chevy in it if the owner was nuts enough to put one in and it would still be an original Cobra. It may not have the original or correct motor but its still a Cobra. Moreover, the original Cobras came in as rollers to if I recall with drive train and engine and options installed and could be painted to color and even customized per customer request. Hmmm, sounds erily similar to Continuation Cobras.
What you are losing sight of is that I don't need nor does any current production owner need a point system for accuracy devised by you or anyone else here vis a vis any original. They stand on their own as a genuine Cobra just as would an original with any drive train modification or change. Just another effort to drag the current production Cobras into the "Replica /kit"car pool. Sorry not interested in playing that game nor likely is any other continuation owner.
It's you guys that do not like SAACs definitions So knock yourselves out and create your own definitions that are to your liking. I'll stick with the registry's definition.
thank you very much for the invite though.
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. Ok. Whatever you say.
I won't even waste any time with that one. All Ill say invest in a Registry. Next.
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