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06-11-2014, 10:42 PM
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"COX 6010" coming to auction in July
French auction company Artcurial plans to offer COX 6010 at their LeMans sale over the July 4-6 weekend. There is some confusion, however, as they seem to consider the car an original Cobra when the details of its history indicate otherwise. 6010 was raced at Le Mans in 1964 and was later wrecked. A buyer combined it and the wrecked CSX 2142 into one car, and attached the COX 6010 ID tag to a third Cobra (which masqueraded as 6010 for almost 20 years until a subsequent owner realized the numbers didn't match up). Following the rebuild, there was nothing left of 6010 but some paperwork and spare parts. In essence, the vehicle that was 6010 ceased to exist at this point, as it was "parted out," i.e. its critical parts were separated and used in the reconstruction of another vehicle with a chassis number that was not COX 6010. A brand new vehicle was constructed a number of years later - with a renumbered chassis supplied by a source other than AC Cars, Ltd. - and this is the car being offered at the Artcurial sale. It should be noted that neither SAAC nor the AC Owner's Club consider this an original Cobra.
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06-11-2014, 11:55 PM
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Not that I was in the market, but thanks for trying to keep things on the up and up.
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06-12-2014, 05:09 AM
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Good work as always Ned, just to help search engines I have also thrown out the format COX6010 cox6010 CSX2142 csx2142 AC Cobra Shelby original leaf sprung spring MkI Mk1 MkII Mk2 COB 260 289 302 small block slabside rack and pinion RHD right hand drive.
I have 2142 as the LHD LeMans topped white with two black stripes Weberised heavily flared car with slotted Dunlop wheels. Is that the one?
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06-12-2014, 05:54 AM
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The AC Owner's Club Cobra Register has for many years listed 6010 as destroyed in 1965. The replicas appendix lists the Artcurial car (owner J-P van den Doorn) as a Replica made in the mid-80s, and has done so for a very long time.
Since Artcurial has all this information it is something of a mystery why they describe the car as they do and consider it to have a value in the $1,750,000-$2,300,000 range.
Artcurial received legal proceedings regarding their false claims yesterday.
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06-12-2014, 08:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mickmate
Good work as always Ned, just to help search engines I have also thrown out the format COX6010 cox6010 CSX2142 csx2142 AC Cobra Shelby original leaf sprung spring MkI Mk1 MkII Mk2 COB 260 289 302 small block slabside rack and pinion RHD right hand drive.
I have 2142 as the LHD LeMans topped white with two black stripes Weberised heavily flared car with slotted Dunlop wheels. Is that the one?
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Yes, that's 2142 except it has two blue stripes.
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06-12-2014, 08:46 AM
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Correct.
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French auction company Artcurial plans to offer COX 6010 at their LeMans sale over the July 4-6 weekend. There is some confusion, however, as they seem to consider the car an original Cobra when the details of its history indicate otherwise. 6010 was raced at Le Mans in 1964 and was later wrecked. A buyer combined it and the wrecked CSX 2142 into one car, and attached the COX 6010 ID tag to a third Cobra (which masqueraded as 6010 for almost 20 years until a subsequent owner realized the numbers didn't match up). Following the rebuild, there was nothing left of 6010 but some paperwork and spare parts. In essence, the vehicle that was 6010 ceased to exist at this point, as it was "parted out," i.e. its critical parts were separated and used in the reconstruction of another vehicle with a chassis number that was not COX 6010. A brand new vehicle was constructed a number of years later - with a renumbered chassis supplied by a source other than AC Cars, Ltd. - and this is the car being offered at the Artcurial sale. It should be noted that neither SAAC nor the AC Owner's Club consider this an original Cobra.
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Man I'm scratching my head on this one. Sounds similar to that Italian guy that was rebuilding one of those GT 40's that took a few liberties. lol
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06-13-2014, 01:24 PM
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That Italian guy? Franco Sbarro
GT40? Yes, one became two.
Who else was involved? J-P van den Doorn
Who he? The man who owns Artcurial's cobra.
Isn't that one (2142) becomes two (2142 and 6010) also? Erm, YES.
Well scratched.
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That Italian guy? Franco Sbarro
GT40? Yes, one became two.
Who else was involved? J-P van den Doorn
Who he? The man who owns Artcurial's cobra.
Isn't that one (2142) becomes two (2142 and 6010) also? Erm, YES.
Well scratched.
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Uh oh someone understood my sarcastic humor! Yeah I didn't want to mention any names but you got the connection. Don't let it get around that I usually do know what I'm talking about. You should post more often you obviously know history.
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Did Real 1 write this auction listing? lol reminds me of him when it mentions SAAC registry. I know auction house have to pull cars out from time to time but reading this auction description something wrong somewhere. Also member mentioned it's a replica in AC Owners book.
http://www.artcurial.com/en/asp/full...refno=10487929
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Chassis #COX 6010
- Unique racing success at Le Mans 1964 - 18th
- The only 'privateer' Cobra to finish the Le Mans race
- Known history, eligible for Le Mans Classic
- High quality restoration and preparation
In 1904, a small business started up in England : Autocars and Accessories LTD, based in Thames Ditton from 1911. It took the name AC Cars (for Auto Carriers) in 1927 and built sports cars. The AC Ace roadster and Aceca coupé appeared in 1953, with all round independent suspension equipped with the trademark 6-cylinder 1991cc overhead cam engine dating from 1919...Two years later, the six cyinder Bristol engine, derived from the pre-war BMW 328 motor became an option for both the Ace and Aceca. In 1961 Bristol switched to American V8 power for their own cars but AC sports cars continued to be fitted with the Bristol engine and a restyled Ace with Ford Zephyr engine was also added to AC's model range. At the same time, on the other side of the Atlantic, a brilliant former racing driver from Texas, Carroll Shelby, was wondering how to catch up with Ferrari. Shelby wasn't the first to consider a large American engine, powerful, reliable and relatively inexpensive, in a lightweight, high-performing European chassis. Allard had already tried it, but the American cocktail resulted in the best performing car.
The prototype CSX2000 (CSX for Carroll Shelby Export, meaning LHD) appeared in Santa Fe Springs near Los Angeles, at the start of 1962. The production of the first Cobra 260 series began the same year (for 260 cubic inches, the engine size of the period Ford V8). The Cobras were built, initially in Santa Fe Springs, and later in Venice, California. Fitted with all-round disc brakes, they had the steering box of the AC Ace. The 289 swiftly followed the 260 V8, this time sporting a 4.7-litre engine that produced 271 bhp at 5,800 rpm in the street version, which could be increased to 385 bhp for competition cars. The car had rack and pinion steering, and for cooling purposes, the rear brakes were put back in the wheels, and the car was fitted with wider wheels and wheel arches to improve its road-holding as well as its looks. Shelby then went further still, by putting a 425 bhp 7-litre Ford engine into the car.
The Cobra 427 was originally designed because Carroll Shelby hadn't been able to keep up with Ferrari in the World Manufacturers Championship in 1964, although he had only been narrowly defeated. He knew that the Cobra 289 cu.in. would not be able to compete with the Ferrari LM. Encouraged by Ken Miles, one of the instigators of the project, Carroll Shelby then thought of swapping the Ford 289 engine, which in the most highly developed versions produced 385 bhp, with the Ford Nascar 427 cu.in. engine that could easily produce 500 bhp without compromising reliability.
In 1963, the AC Cobras appeared in the FIA GT World Championship but were beaten by the Ferrari GTOs. They did, however, win the American SCCA Championship. In Europe, the famous Jo Schlesser won the highly competitive Critérium des Cévennes and came second in the Tour de Corse.
The Cobra made its first appearance at Le Mans in 1963, resulting in a retirement for the # 4 of Hugus / Jopp, and an encouraging 7th place for the #3 of Bolton and Sanderson. There was a larger American contingent at Le Mans the following year, with three Ford GT40s, the official Cobra Daytona coupés, Shelby's # 5 driven by Dan Gurney and Bob Bondurant, # 6 by Chris Amon and Jochen Neerpash and the streamlined AC coupé entered by AC Cars: # 3 , driven by Jack Sears and Peter Bolton. This proved to be a learning experience, as only one of the official AC and Ford entries, # 5, crossed the finish line, 4th overall and 1st in GT. The only other AC Cobra belonged to the French importer Chardonnet, who had entered COX 6010, driven by the capable Jean de Mortemart and Régis Fraissinet. They finished 18th overall, having covered the 3880,280 km at an average speed of 161,970 km/h, without a problem. The following year, the two friends achieved 9th place overall at the wheel of another hybrid, the Iso Grifo A3C designed by Giotto Bizzarini.
The car in the sale was delivered to the official French marque importer, Établissements Chardonnet, 16 Rue Etienne Marcel in Pantin near Paris, on 19 March 1964. COX6010 was liveried in " Princess Blue " with red leather interior. On 2 April 1964 it was acquired by Count Jean de Montemart, who had already bought a Cobra, but this one was for racing, although it was Chardonnet who entered the car for the 1964 Le Mans 24 Hours, with Régis Fraissinet as co-driver. The initial application for the race, filled in by Henri Chardonnet and sent to the ACO in March, indicated that the drivers would be Claude Ballot-Lena and Jean-Claude Magne. As Count de Montemart bought the car on 2 April, the race entry was actually in his name with Régis Fraissinet. This was still the era of heroes when wealthy amateurs were able to participate in the Le Mans 24 Hours. He enlisted the symbolic support of an oil executive and a tyre firm. His co-driver Régis Fraissinet, heir to a dynasty of industrialists, announced to the press that he raced in order to provide a different perspective on his everyday life : " There are those who like to play tennis and those who prefer golf. I play tennis and golf but, most of all, I prefer to race cars... ". These gentlemen proved equal to the challenge and finished the race in 18th place, which any driver in the Le Mans 24 Hours would consider a victory. Régis Fraissinet recalls : " This was the year that Carroll Shelby appeared on the scene with his Shelby Cobras. However, our car made it to the end ! For that we earned a new engine ! "
The car was prepared for Le Mans at the AC factory, as indicated in the Shelby American World Registry. It was fitted with an air intake on the bonnet, a roll-cage and wider, stronger wire wheels. It was prepared for endurance / circuit racing with the addition of an extra aluminium fuel tank, stiffer suspension, high-beam headlights and various other upgrades. An original fibreglass hard-top was also put on the car to improve the aerodynamics and as protection in the case of bad weather. Lights to illuminate the racing numbers during the night section of the Le Mans race were installed on the right-hand door and at the front of the bonnet.
The car also took part in the Coupes de Paris in Monthléry, in the 'Coupe des USA 1964' class. Jean de Mortemart tussled neck and neck with Jean Marie Vincent who was also in a Cobra. Mortemart had an accident later on and sold the car to Vincent. The real story about this car starts here. The car remained with him for a few years as he continued to race Cobras. He owned CSX 2001, CSX2142 and COX6010 at the same time. He fixed the front of the car using the first front quarter of the frame taken from CSX2142 and made an ugly but convenient fiberglass front bonnet and continued to race. (Jean Marie Vincent had already modified CSX2001 in 1964). The car was poorly painted in white then. After some time the car was found untended in a private car park and as the rent had not been paid, the owner called the gendarmerie and the car was towed away to the authorised junkyard in Clamart near Paris. On March 6th 1969, alerted by a friend who saw it lying there with no wheels, Bernard Maitre bought it straight away for 250 Francs... from Mr Charraux, director of the scrapyard. This gentleman was the co-founder with Jacques Lavost of the AC Automobile Club in France in 1967 and more recently, consultant for the FIA and FFSA for historic racing cars. A great AC enthusiast, he saved the car from being destroyed. (see pictures and bill of sale on website). He took the wheels off his own AC Bristol and put them on COX6010 in order to tow it home. The car was in poor condition but pretty much complete, apart from the engine (a 289 ci block was sitting on the passenger side) and the missing wheels. The leather was red and the paint underneath the white colour was the original Princess blue. He remembers that the car had the serial numbers 6010 stamped on the doors and on the trunk. He sold it, as it was, in August 1969 to Bernard Alter, from Alsace, who was in the process of restoring COX6002, another French Cobra. He needed parts, and at that time Cobras were very scarce in France. Probably less than 10 had been sold in this country. The two Cobras were sent to the workshop of Bernard Afchain who restored COX6002. Bernard Afchain registered COX6010 in his name on September 15th 1974 and undertook a complete restoration. As the chassis was damaged, he ordered a chassis from David Sanderson in England, and had his original chassis number stamped on it. The car underwent certain modifications mechanically and to the body which was made by Brian Angliss. The front and rear wings and the rear wheel arches were widened to make room for magnificent Halibrand alloy wheels (7.5' in the front et 8.5' in the back) with centre lock as most of the racing Cobras. Competition Girling aluminium calipers with air scoops have been added, CR in front and OR in the back. The extra Le Mans fuel tank still exists but has been taken off the car, which still has the main tank (70L) boosted by a smaller one (40L) situated in the space for the spare wheel. The original gearbox was replaced, as on most Cobras, with an aluminium T10 " Side Loader " that is more robust, with a better performance. The same goes for the original differential casing that will be sold with the car, but was replaced with a stronger aluminium one. The bodywork was renewed during this restoration, and it is interesting to note that the interior of the doors, bonnet and boot-lid have the original paint and the series number 6010 is stamped on all these opening parts. They even show some of the white paint along the tubing. The bonnet with 6010 stamped on it was bought back later from JM Vincent to complete the restoration. The interior of the right door still shows the location of the light used to illuminate the racing number for the timekeepers at night, now covered. The original seats have been redone in red leather as well as the Sparco bucket seat. The powerful 4,727cc V8 engine, rebuilt in 2003 by " Equipe Europe " has four large twin-choke Weber carburettors and is fitted with aluminium pulleys and radiator. Forged pistons with balanced forged crankshaft and connecting rods complete the set-up of this engine that on the rolling road at Mokriki racing, a well known French American car specialist, recorded 374.2 bhp at 6,400 rpm with a torque of 477 Nm at 5,100 rpm. A fuel pressure gauge has been added on the dashboard and the tachymeter replaced by an electronic "Eliott" and the windscreen is made of Lexan. It comes with its side screens and the original red leather internal door handle (on the side). Since the photos were taken, the car has been resprayed in Princess blue as it was at le Mans 1964, but without the red stripes. The car has participated three times at the historic Tour Auto.
This is a highly important Cobra, sold new in France by Chardonnet and which has never left the country. Its history was made at one of the world's most legendary races, the Le Mans 24 Hours, crossing the line driven by an aristocratic gentleman driver and a renowned racing driver ! Bernard Maitre co-founder of the AC club de France bought the car in 1969 and confirmed this in a letter with the invoice and three period photos included to show the condition of the car in 1969 when he bought it. This is a known Cobra that has appeared in several books 'AC Cobra 260-289-427' by Philippe Hazan, page 127 and 129. The history of COX6010 with the list of options and modifications is recorded in the Shelby American World Registry. It has belonged to the current owner since 1985 and was restored the right way. It shows a very nice patina and runs very strong.
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But it was on the internet, and you can't lie on the internet!!!! It must be true!!!!!
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06-15-2014, 07:20 AM
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Artcurial
“He owned CSX2001, CSX2142 and COX6010 at the same time. He fixed the front of the car using the first front quarter of the frame taken from CSX2142”
The Historical Record
CSX2001
Jean-Marie Vincent wanted to improve CSX2001 (now owned by Bruce Meyer). Two damaged cars became available, the highly-developed but severely burned CSX2142 with eight race wheels and other desirable parts and COX6010 with severe frontal damage. Vincent decided to turn the two damaged cars into one whilst getting some very useful parts for 2001.
CSX2142
He could have reconstructed either 2142 or 6010 but chose to combine the two into 2142, the more developed ex-Ford of France & ex-Shelby team car. According to the continuous history principle used by the ACOC Cobra Register, Vincent destroyed COX6010 in 65 by parting it out. There is no record of any physical 6010 parts remaining following 2142’s rebuild and 2001’s development, any unused pieces reportedly being scrapped.
Back to CSX2001
However the remaining evidence of 6010, its carte grise (French road-registration document) and other paperwork, was particularly useful to Vincent. 2001 hadn’t cleared through French customs as a road car and wasn’t road-registered. 6010 no longer existed but was road registered so Vincent used 6010’s carte grise for CSX2001, which was known as COX6010 from 1965 onwards.
What happens to CSX2142?
It has continuous history from 1965 to today, and is now in the hands of Carlos Monteverde.
What happens to CSX2001 aka 6010?
Bernard Afchain buys it in 74, thinking it’s 6010. Per Afchain’s affidavit “ I bought CSX2001 from Hervé Arnone-Demoy in Morocco in 1974....THE CHASSIS PLATE FITTED ON THE BULKHEAD WAS THE PLATE FOR COX6010, AND I BELIEVED THAT THIS WAS ITS CHASSIS IDENTITY. ON CLOSER INSPECTION I REALISED THAT THIS CAR WAS NOT COX6010 BUT CSX2001. AFFTER I CONTACTED JEAN-MARIE VINCENT, I RE-ESTABLISHED IT AS CSX2001.”
How does the Artcurial 6010 Replica get created?
Made by Bernard Afchain in the mid 80s: - 6010 footbox i/d tag (the chassis plate) taken from CSX2001, where it had been for many years
- Chassis and substructure by David Sanderson
- Material mechanical components are per the Artcurial catalogue
- Some minor items (boot latch, door hinges etc) with the 6010 stamping transferred from CSX2142, where they had been for many years.
This is all on the public record. If you prefer an Afchain/Sanderson/Angliss to a Kirkham, Factory Five or period AC/Shelby Cobra then 6010 could be the car for you.
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Artcurial are still showing the estimate for this car at €1.3m to €1.7m, or USD1.8m to USD2.3m....
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It's a unique collector's piece. There are very few French-built cobras, and only one Afchain/Sanderson/Angliss...........
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This car is reported as selling for $870,000, well short of its $1,750,000-$2,300,000 estimate. I don't think the buyer, if it wasn't the seller, has a bargain.
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This car is reported as selling for $870,000, well short of its $1,750,000-$2,300,000 estimate. I don't think the buyer, if it wasn't the seller, has a bargain.
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Thanks for the detailed info and update.
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07-08-2014, 06:39 PM
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....It should be noted that neither SAAC nor the AC Owner's Club consider this an original Cobra.
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It sold for 761 000 euros / USD 1 036 000
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Cob/cox?
Ned, the convoluted story of this car has certainly raised my curiosity. Having slowly read and re-read the story, I think I'm getting on top of it - it certainly has twists and turns.
I've got to say that I don't for a minute doubt your assertion (or ACOC's assertion) that "neither SAAC nor the AC Owner's Club consider this an original Cobra".....but where in the World Registry (4th ed., ref. pages 341-342) does it state this? The Registry appears to treat this car as just another Cobra with an interesting history, which is not what I was expecting, given the information that's been more fully explained in this thread.
Another question....was the car originally numbered as COB6010 (as it's referred to twice in the Registry) and then renumbered as COX3010 because it was a LHD car (and therefore not for the British market)?
At what point did the car that is now referred to as COX6010 have its right to be called "an original Cobra" withdrawn by SAAC?
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Glen,
As Ned is, I think, away I’ll answer from an ACOC perspective.
AC’s ‘X’ in the car number meant LHD. Thus all Shelby Cobras are CSX except RHD ones (CS2030, CS2130 & CS2131). All RHD AC Cobras are COB, including cars exported to RHD markets, and all LHD AC Cobras are COX, including LHD ones sold in the UK (three, if I remember rightly).
6010 was COX6010 from its earliest record in the AC Factory ledger. ‘COB6010’ is a SAAC error – 6010 to 6016 were all LHD ‘COX’ cars.
My 15 June post above summarises the ACOC information conclusively demonstrating that 6010 was destroyed by parting out in 1965. This information is confirmed by many sources, including Flavien Marcais’ 18 Aug 2004 report following interviews with Jean-Marie Vincent, Bernard Maitre and Bernard Afchain. I believe the SAAC Registry was updated to take this information into account, but not before the 4th edition made its way to the print shop.
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Thanks Robin. Even six years in the lifetime of the Cobra 'legend' is a long time. I look forward to the next edition's updates. The Registry truly is a life's work.
Cheers,
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